From kruse.christopher@gmail.com Thu Oct 1 01:22:58 2009 From: kruse.christopher@gmail.com (Christopher Kruse) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:22:58 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] October meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4AC3AB2D.4000202@sbcglobal.net> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E9478@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <3595677a0909301722o2bd3cce4qc6d3cf98a77e7e6a@mail.gmail.com> Is it possible for me to get an address for the CIPA building? I'm not exactly sure where it's located. Thanks in advance, Christopher On 9/30/09, Chris Cooper wrote: > By my understanding, the next meeting (Oct. 13th), should be at CIPA. > > That being said, I finally got my Popcorn Hour Media Tank and was > thinking about bringing it with. It would be fun to compare a fully > featured mythbox with an embeded linux solution. Let's break out the > popcorn and talk about Media on linux. > > Has anyone been following the Boxee on Linux development? That would > be fun to see as well. > > > Cooper > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM, David Hinkle wro= te: >> Hey, is this next meeting going to be at CIPAFilter? =A0It's been a whil= e >> since I've seen you guys. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf >> Of agamotto >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:02 PM >> To: qclug@qclug.org >> Subject: [QCLUG] October meeting >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Since I WILL be at this meeting, does anyone want me to b= ring in >> one of >> the Mythboxes and show off what it does? =A0The only thing I would need = from >> CIPA would be access to a power point and the telly on the wall. =A0I am >> going to update/upgrade one to 9.04 this week, just to see if there is >> anything to get excited about. =A0Might do 9.10, if Myth 0.22 is anywher= e >> near as good as the claims. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From vorlon@dodds.net Thu Oct 1 05:10:54 2009 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:10:54 -0700 Subject: [QCLUG] Asbestos undies and distros In-Reply-To: <9a65bf850909301258x2f847ad3qb7160f2dfc6a1d14@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC3AA84.2060708@sbcglobal.net> <20090930195559.GC15612@dario.dodds.net> <9a65bf850909301258x2f847ad3qb7160f2dfc6a1d14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091001041052.GA31748@dario.dodds.net> On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:58:29AM +0800, Leif Theden wrote: > Traditional Chinese support is a little lacking in areas. Just from > experience. True - but input methods are Hard, and I don't know what SuSE would be doing any better in this regard. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Oct 1 15:58:40 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:58:40 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] October meeting In-Reply-To: <3595677a0909301722o2bd3cce4qc6d3cf98a77e7e6a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AC3AB2D.4000202@sbcglobal.net> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E9478@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <3595677a0909301722o2bd3cce4qc6d3cf98a77e7e6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E94FC@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> 700 16th Avenue East Moline, IL 61244 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Christopher Kruse Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:23 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] October meeting Is it possible for me to get an address for the CIPA building? I'm not exactly sure where it's located. Thanks in advance, Christopher On 9/30/09, Chris Cooper wrote: > By my understanding, the next meeting (Oct. 13th), should be at CIPA. > > That being said, I finally got my Popcorn Hour Media Tank and was > thinking about bringing it with. It would be fun to compare a fully > featured mythbox with an embeded linux solution. Let's break out the > popcorn and talk about Media on linux. > > Has anyone been following the Boxee on Linux development? That would > be fun to see as well. > > > Cooper > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM, David Hinkle wro= te: >> Hey, is this next meeting going to be at CIPAFilter? =A0It's been a whil= e >> since I've seen you guys. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf >> Of agamotto >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:02 PM >> To: qclug@qclug.org >> Subject: [QCLUG] October meeting >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Since I WILL be at this meeting, does anyone want me to b= ring in >> one of >> the Mythboxes and show off what it does? =A0The only thing I would need = from >> CIPA would be access to a power point and the telly on the wall. =A0I am >> going to update/upgrade one to 9.04 this week, just to see if there is >> anything to get excited about. =A0Might do 9.10, if Myth 0.22 is anywher= e >> near as good as the claims. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From leif.theden@gmail.com Thu Oct 1 17:17:18 2009 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:17:18 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Asbestos undies and distros In-Reply-To: <20091001041052.GA31748@dario.dodds.net> References: <4AC3AA84.2060708@sbcglobal.net> <20090930195559.GC15612@dario.dodds.net> <9a65bf850909301258x2f847ad3qb7160f2dfc6a1d14@mail.gmail.com> <20091001041052.GA31748@dario.dodds.net> Message-ID: <9a65bf850910010917h57a3b84x2463ad359d73f8b3@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, not sure about Suse, but Fedora with ibus worked right off the bat. Can't wait for scim to die. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:58:29AM +0800, Leif Theden wrote: >> Traditional Chinese support is a little lacking in areas. =A0Just from >> experience. > > True - but input methods are Hard, and I don't know what SuSE would be do= ing > any better in this regard. :) > > -- > Steve Langasek =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Give me a lever long e= nough and a Free OS > Debian Developer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to set it on, and I = can move the world. > Ubuntu Developer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.debian.org/ > slangasek@ubuntu.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 vorlon@debian.org > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 1 20:32:03 2009 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:32:03 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Asbestos undies and distros Message-ID: <4AC503B3.8@sbcglobal.net> > True - but input methods are Hard, and I don't know what SuSE would be doing > any better in this regard. :) > > -- > Steve Langasek I am not sure either, Steve. I sent her an email asking her to clarify, and perhaps that will answer a question or two. From what I remember, she just has a easier time switching while using it. Not sure of her method. From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 1 20:36:12 2009 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto@sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:36:12 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] October meeting Message-ID: <4AC504AC.9080208@sbcglobal.net> > By my understanding, the next meeting (Oct. 13th), should be at CIPA. > > That being said, I finally got my Popcorn Hour Media Tank and was > thinking about bringing it with. It would be fun to compare a fully > featured mythbox with an embeded linux solution. Let's break out the > popcorn and talk about Media on linux. > > Has anyone been following the Boxee on Linux development? That would > be fun to see as well. > > I would be interested in seeing how that works, as I haven't seen/heard anything about it since Tekzilla did a review sometime last year. I would also like to see how it compares to Mythbuntu in end-user friendliness. From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Oct 6 16:20:36 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:20:36 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] You guys showing up at CIPAFilter tonight? Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E9867@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment What time again? David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/884ced7a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Tue Oct 6 16:34:49 2009 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:34:49 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] You guys showing up at CIPAFilter tonight? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E9867@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E9867@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: We typically meet the 2nd Tuesday of the month (October 13th this month), so you have another week before you have to wory, Dave. We usually arrive between 6-6:30, meeting by 7, IIRC. It's been a few since I could make it to one. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David Hinkle wrote: > What time again? > > David From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Oct 6 16:34:10 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:34:10 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] You guys showing up at CIPAFilter tonight? In-Reply-To: References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E9867@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FF78E986F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Oh, that's right. It's been so long since I saw you guys I couldn't rememb= er :) David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Chris Cooper Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:35 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] You guys showing up at CIPAFilter tonight? We typically meet the 2nd Tuesday of the month (October 13th this month), so you have another week before you have to wory, Dave. We usually arrive between 6-6:30, meeting by 7, IIRC. It's been a few since I could make it to one. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David Hinkle wrote= : > What time again? > > David _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sat Oct 10 15:50:38 2009 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:50:38 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Something for the meeting Message-ID: <997c8c1b0910100750h25dc68baj83432c1875f7f6c3@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Would it be possible for CIPA to have the area surrounding the old Arsenal Courts area available as a map to display at the meeting? I don't know the address (or cross streets) or I would mention it. If someone knows, please post it. I'd like to mention a community based project I need help with, if anyone has any ideas. Details at the meeting. Thanks, Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Google Maps Link: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3D700+1= 6th+Ave,+East+Moline,+IL&sll=3D37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=3D57.684464,133.6816= 41&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D&hnear=3D700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Rock+Island,+Illinois= +61244&z=3D17 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Dan Schlichting Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:10 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Directions Can anyone give me directions to cippa for tonights meeting. Dan _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 07:21:59 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:21:59 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Little Boxes on the Hillside... In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4AD56E07.9030808@gmail.com> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/introducing-google-building-maker.html Thought the people who attended last night's QCLUG meeting at CIPAFilter would enjoy this. ~Rhys From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 08:53:17 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:53:17 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Directions In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4AD5836D.8020706@gmail.com> I enjoyed meeting everyone at this month's meeting last night. It seemed as though there was some interest in expanding the web presence for the group, updating the web site, etc., and that no one really cared who did what so long as it got done. With that in mind, I took it upon myself to open a LinkedIn group for the LUG. Apologies if this steps on anyone's toes! Here are the details. The group can be found at: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2387633 If there is someone who would like to help administrate the group, let me know and I'll add you as an admin. Also, I made the 100x50 logo using my humble and somewhat limited artistic skills; if anyone has some more suitable logo (perhaps something with Tux in it, or something else *Ux-centric) feel free to bat it around the group. Really, it's all just a set of placeholders until someone would like to better edit the site. In an effort to include as many people as possible, I sent invitations to everyone who posted within about the past month or so. If you did not receive an invite but would like to display the groups spiffy logo on your LinkedIn profile page, then either send an email to me, the list, or ask to join via the group page above. ~Rhys From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 09:19:02 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:19:02 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics Message-ID: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> Could someone send me a short list of topics from this evening's meeting? I'd like to post some informative links so people who weren't able to attend will be able to live vicariously through those who were. Thus far, I remember the MythBox/MythBuntu DVR-like Linux box, a similar but more compact box with a name that escapes me at the moment, the movie MegaQuake shot in the QCA, and Dave's fish tank. For all of these, I wouldn't mind more specifics about them as well as links from their respective presenters highlighting the kind of thing that was presented. In the absence of that information, I'll see what I can dig up myself over the next few days. ~Rhys From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Oct 14 17:38:40 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:38:40 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> References: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF63684@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> The other box was called "Popcorn Time". A cool network spectrum analyzer= was also showed off. There was some discussion of Flex and of a charitab= le project to bring internet service to arsenal courts. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Rhys Black Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:19 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics Could someone send me a short list of topics from this evening's=20 meeting? I'd like to post some informative links so people who weren't=20 able to attend will be able to live vicariously through those who were. Thus far, I remember the MythBox/MythBuntu DVR-like Linux box, a similar=20 but more compact box with a name that escapes me at the moment, the=20 movie MegaQuake shot in the QCA, and Dave's fish tank. For all of=20 these, I wouldn't mind more specifics about them as well as links from=20 their respective presenters highlighting the kind of thing that was=20 presented. In the absence of that information, I'll see what I can dig=20 up myself over the next few days. ~Rhys _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From dbergert@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 12:09:26 2009 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:09:26 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Directions In-Reply-To: <4AD5836D.8020706@gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD5836D.8020706@gmail.com> Message-ID: QCLUG Logo: http://www.dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/download.php?file=qclug1024.png&id=_wallpaper/_linux/qclug On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > I enjoyed meeting everyone at this month's meeting last night. > > It seemed as though there was some interest in expanding the web > presence for the group, updating the web site, etc., and that no one > really cared who did what so long as it got done. With that in > mind, I took it upon myself to open a LinkedIn group for the LUG. > Apologies if this steps on anyone's toes! > > Here are the details. The group can be found at: > > http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2387633 > > If there is someone who would like to help administrate the group, > let me know and I'll add you as an admin. > > Also, I made the 100x50 logo using my humble and somewhat limited > artistic skills; if anyone has some more suitable logo (perhaps > something with Tux in it, or something else *Ux-centric) feel free > to bat it around the group. Really, it's all just a set of > placeholders until someone would like to better edit the site. > > In an effort to include as many people as possible, I sent > invitations to everyone who posted within about the past month or > so. If you did not receive an invite but would like to display the > groups spiffy logo on your LinkedIn profile page, then either send > an email to me, the list, or ask to join via the group page above. > > ~Rhys > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From QCAdmin@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 13:25:29 2009 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:25:29 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> References: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: The small media player was a Popcorn Hour Media Tank A-110. It can't record TV, but it can play back most formats. You can add a hard drive for internal storage, or stream over the network. It uses a 300Mhz MIPS processor and runs a small embeded linux distro. It has a good modding community developing around it which is expanding it's functionality regularly through the addition of new Open Source Software. Product: http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=3Dproductinfo= &item_id=3D6 Community Wiki: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Community Forums: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/ On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > Could someone send me a short list of topics from this evening's meeting? > =A0I'd like to post some informative links so people who weren't able to > attend will be able to live vicariously through those who were. > > Thus far, I remember the MythBox/MythBuntu DVR-like Linux box, a similar = but > more compact box with a name that escapes me at the moment, the movie > MegaQuake shot in the QCA, and Dave's fish tank. =A0For all of these, I > wouldn't mind more specifics about them as well as links from their > respective presenters highlighting the kind of thing that was presented. = =A0In > the absence of that information, I'll see what I can dig up myself over t= he > next few days. > > ~Rhys > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:13:42 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:13:42 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: References: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD606C6.2030203@gmail.com> Thanks, Chris! that was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I'll put this on the LinkedIn group. ~Rhys Chris Cooper wrote: > The small media player was a Popcorn Hour Media Tank A-110. > It can't record TV, but it can play back most formats. You can add a > hard drive for internal storage, or stream over the network. > It uses a 300Mhz MIPS processor and runs a small embeded linux distro. > It has a good modding community developing around it which is > expanding it's functionality regularly through the addition of new > Open Source Software. > > Product: > http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=productinfo&item_id=6 > Community Wiki: > http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > Community Forums: > http://www.networkedmediatank.com/ > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > >> Could someone send me a short list of topics from this evening's meeting? >> I'd like to post some informative links so people who weren't able to >> attend will be able to live vicariously through those who were. >> >> Thus far, I remember the MythBox/MythBuntu DVR-like Linux box, a similar but >> more compact box with a name that escapes me at the moment, the movie >> MegaQuake shot in the QCA, and Dave's fish tank. For all of these, I >> wouldn't mind more specifics about them as well as links from their >> respective presenters highlighting the kind of thing that was presented. In >> the absence of that information, I'll see what I can dig up myself over the >> next few days. >> >> ~Rhys >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From m.sweet83@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 10:32:42 2009 From: m.sweet83@gmail.com (Matthew Sweet) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:32:42 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Little Boxes on the Hillside... In-Reply-To: <4AD56E07.9030808@gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD56E07.9030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1255512762.21275.1.camel@blue> Oh my, that's awesome. Thank you for the link, Rhys. (Should be a lot of fun!) On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 01:21 -0500, Rhys Black wrote: > http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/introducing-google-building-maker.html > > Thought the people who attended last night's QCLUG meeting at CIPAFilter > would enjoy this. > > ~Rhys > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From arronlorenz@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:40:07 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:40:07 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: <4AD606C6.2030203@gmail.com> References: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> <4AD606C6.2030203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30910141040j1f0603e8s975bb771db22e83a@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Ugh. Very disappointed at missing this meeting. I personally use two different things for my media needs. I use Boxxee which win/mac/lin support as my only source of TV. It runs manages Hulu feeds, streaming from most of the network sites (South Park, Family Guy, NBC, ABC). It's also a dead simple install for any system. I'm still not overtly happy with my TV out support on Ubuntu but I cobbled this box together so i'm happy enough. I also use a Windows program called Orb which aside from normal UPNP streaming to any network device it also allows me to stream any media directly to my iPhone using the OrbLive iPhone client. Last night I was elected the Blue Grass Community Club President, and the meetings are the same night so I doubt I will be able to make it to many of the LUG meetings... Hopefully if anyone is still interested the next change I get to come I'll bring Boxxee, and show of Orb also. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > Thanks, Chris! that was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I'll > put this on the LinkedIn group. > > ~Rhys > > > Chris Cooper wrote: > >> The small media player was a Popcorn Hour Media Tank A-110. >> It can't record TV, but it can play back most formats. You can add a >> hard drive for internal storage, or stream over the network. >> It uses a 300Mhz MIPS processor and runs a small embeded linux distro. >> It has a good modding community developing around it which is >> expanding it's functionality regularly through the addition of new >> Open Source Software. >> >> Product: >> >> http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=productinfo&item_id=6 >> Community Wiki: >> http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page >> Community Forums: >> http://www.networkedmediatank.com/ >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rhys Black wrote: >> >> >>> Could someone send me a short list of topics from this evening's meeting? >>> I'd like to post some informative links so people who weren't able to >>> attend will be able to live vicariously through those who were. >>> >>> Thus far, I remember the MythBox/MythBuntu DVR-like Linux box, a similar >>> but >>> more compact box with a name that escapes me at the moment, the movie >>> MegaQuake shot in the QCA, and Dave's fish tank. For all of these, I >>> wouldn't mind more specifics about them as well as links from their >>> respective presenters highlighting the kind of thing that was presented. >>> In >>> the absence of that information, I'll see what I can dig up myself over >>> the >>> next few days. >>> >>> ~Rhys >>> _______________________________________________ >>> QCLUG mailing list >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/eb7594e4/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:43:29 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:43:29 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Directions In-Reply-To: References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD5836D.8020706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30910141043h6c0e8f62sd5fd80a925387afa@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment If Klowner is listening do you still have the vector copy of the logo. I would like to try something for the LUG. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Dave Bergert wrote: > QCLUG Logo: > http://www.dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/download.php?file=qclug1024.png&id=_wallpaper/_linux/qclug > > > > > On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > > I enjoyed meeting everyone at this month's meeting last night. >> >> It seemed as though there was some interest in expanding the web presence >> for the group, updating the web site, etc., and that no one really cared who >> did what so long as it got done. With that in mind, I took it upon myself >> to open a LinkedIn group for the LUG. Apologies if this steps on anyone's >> toes! >> >> Here are the details. The group can be found at: >> >> http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2387633 >> >> If there is someone who would like to help administrate the group, let me >> know and I'll add you as an admin. >> >> Also, I made the 100x50 logo using my humble and somewhat limited artistic >> skills; if anyone has some more suitable logo (perhaps something with Tux in >> it, or something else *Ux-centric) feel free to bat it around the group. >> Really, it's all just a set of placeholders until someone would like to >> better edit the site. >> >> In an effort to include as many people as possible, I sent invitations to >> everyone who posted within about the past month or so. If you did not >> receive an invite but would like to display the groups spiffy logo on your >> LinkedIn profile page, then either send an email to me, the list, or ask to >> join via the group page above. >> >> ~Rhys >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/e0c50e7e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 19:21:44 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:21:44 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Topics In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910141040j1f0603e8s975bb771db22e83a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AD58976.4010202@gmail.com> <4AD606C6.2030203@gmail.com> <30cf66b30910141040j1f0603e8s975bb771db22e83a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD616B8.1040104@gmail.com> Grats! on your recent election. Well, there were 10-12 people at the meeting. The room was full with every chair having a body to go with it and my impression was that it was a good turnout. It seems as though it might be worthwhile to meet with even half that amount. I'd be interested in seeing your presentation. If enough people are, also, then perhaps another meeting on a date which wouldn't be a conflict for you would be possible before the next one. There's lots of logistics for something like that, though, such as location, date, and availability. For myself, I'm available evenings and weekends. So, if you're interested, I am, also. That's 2 people, to start. If we can get 4 more people, then it might be worth talking about. Regardless, I'll make sure whatever presentation there is gets written up for those who can't make it, so whatever happens should benefit the LUG. ~Rhys Arron Lorenz wrote: > Ugh. Very disappointed at missing this meeting. I personally use two > different things for my media needs. I use Boxxee which win/mac/lin > support as my only source of TV. It runs manages Hulu feeds, streaming > from most of the network sites (South Park, Family Guy, NBC, ABC). > It's also a dead simple install for any system. I'm still not overtly > happy with my TV out support on Ubuntu but I cobbled this box together > so i'm happy enough. > > I also use a Windows program called Orb which aside from normal UPNP > streaming to any network device it also allows me to stream any media > directly to my iPhone using the OrbLive iPhone client. > > Last night I was elected the Blue Grass Community Club President, and > the meetings are the same night so I doubt I will be able to make it > to many of the LUG meetings... Hopefully if anyone is still interested > the next change I get to come I'll bring Boxxee, and show of Orb also. > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: > > Thanks, Chris! that was exactly the sort of thing I was looking > for. I'll put this on the LinkedIn group. > > ~Rhys > > > Chris Cooper wrote: > > The small media player was a Popcorn Hour Media Tank A-110. > It can't record TV, but it can play back most formats. You > can add a > hard drive for internal storage, or stream over the network. > It uses a 300Mhz MIPS processor and runs a small embeded linux > distro. > It has a good modding community developing around it which is > expanding it's functionality regularly through the addition of new > Open Source Software. > > Product: > http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=productinfo&item_id=6 > > Community Wiki: > http://www.networkedmediatank.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > Community Forums: > http://www.networkedmediatank.com/ > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rhys Black > > wrote: > > > Could someone send me a short list of topics from this > evening's meeting? > I'd like to post some informative links so people who > weren't able to > attend will be able to live vicariously through those who > were. > > Thus far, I remember the MythBox/MythBuntu DVR-like Linux > box, a similar but > more compact box with a name that escapes me at the > moment, the movie > MegaQuake shot in the QCA, and Dave's fish tank. For all > of these, I > wouldn't mind more specifics about them as well as links > from their > respective presenters highlighting the kind of thing that > was presented. In > the absence of that information, I'll see what I can dig > up myself over the > next few days. > > ~Rhys > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy > Ferris > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Oct 14 19:20:04 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:20:04 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable project: Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 meg d= own. This is enough in my opinion to provide "basic" internet to the ent= ire facility. Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want to co= nnect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would work= . Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. = Derbynet doesn't have any presence in rock island, so we don't have a tow= er we can feed you off of. We'd need to put one in at the courts. This = would cost a few hundred dollars. If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each building. T= he switch is going to be in the $300 range. We'll need enough cable to do= the wiring and enough manpower to get it done. If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap telephone = access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to consider. I don't really think the project would end up being feasible unless we talk= about something like doing the whole institution, and for something like t= hat I recommend wired. We can make it very "cheap" for an institution the= size that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand dollars to w= ire the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full prop= osal with real cost estimates. David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/9126ebf4/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Oct 14 20:15:10 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:15:10 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Mandarin Dragonet Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I know, I know, not very linuxy. But this is my favorite saltwater fish. = I keep him very fat and happy, but he's a shy little thing, and not apt t= o often come out and be seen. http://frugalreef.com/wiki/images/2/2d/Synchiropus_splendidus_2_Luc_Viatour= .jpg ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/29a5b096/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From dan@cpugeek.org Wed Oct 14 20:27:26 2009 From: dan@cpugeek.org (Dan Schlichting) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:27:26 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Mandarin Dragonet In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: Nice picture. Dan On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Hinkle wrote= : > I know, I know, not very linuxy.=A0=A0 But this is my favorite saltwater = fish. > I keep him very fat and happy, but he=92s a shy little thing, and not apt= to > often come out and be seen. > > > > http://frugalreef.com/wiki/images/2/2d/Synchiropus_splendidus_2_Luc_Viato= ur.jpg From dan@cpugeek.org Wed Oct 14 20:31:41 2009 From: dan@cpugeek.org (Dan Schlichting) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:31:41 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Chrome OS a first Look Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/ylemjcf From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:43:56 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:43:56 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Mandarin Dragonet In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4AD629FC.3010406@gmail.com> Ha, I know, but I am totally posting about it right now. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > > I know, I know, not very linuxy. But this is my favorite saltwater > fish. I keep him very fat and happy, but he’s a shy little thing, and > not apt to often come out and be seen. > > http://frugalreef.com/wiki/images/2/2d/Synchiropus_splendidus_2_Luc_Viatour.jpg > From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Oct 14 21:28:48 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:28:48 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probably throw toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-out, so can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and recently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with more robust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new condition without any difficulties. Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as needed, and will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll be needing it. It's yours, free, if needed. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > > Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable > project: > > Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 > meg down. This is enough in my opinion to provide “basic” internet to > the entire facility. > > Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want > to connect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless > would work. Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about > $70 per unit. Derbynet doesn’t have any presence in rock island, so we > don’t have a tower we can feed you off of. We’d need to put one in at > the courts. This would cost a few hundred dollars. > > If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each > building. The switch is going to be in the $300 range. We’ll need > enough cable to do the wiring and enough manpower to get it done. > > If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap > telephone access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to > consider. > > I don’t really think the project would end up being feasible unless we > talk about something like doing the whole institution, and for > something like that I recommend wired. We can make it very “cheap” for > an institution the size that it is, but it will still probably be a > few thousand dollars to wire the whole place. If the management has > interest, we can do a full proposal with real cost estimates. > > David > From leif.theden@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 02:37:18 2009 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:37:18 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Mandarin Dragonet In-Reply-To: <4AD629FC.3010406@gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD629FC.3010406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a65bf850910141837h1c462f74yd50cec5ad9dde096@mail.gmail.com> it looks like marlin and dory's lovechild. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > Ha, I know, but I am totally posting about it right now. > > ~Rhys > > David Hinkle wrote: >> >> I know, I know, not very linuxy. But this is my favorite saltwater fish.= I >> keep him very fat and happy, but he=92s a shy little thing, and not apt = to >> often come out and be seen. >> >> >> http://frugalreef.com/wiki/images/2/2d/Synchiropus_splendidus_2_Luc_Viat= our.jpg >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From leif.theden@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 02:37:38 2009 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:37:38 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Mandarin Dragonet In-Reply-To: <9a65bf850910141837h1c462f74yd50cec5ad9dde096@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF636B4@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD629FC.3010406@gmail.com> <9a65bf850910141837h1c462f74yd50cec5ad9dde096@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a65bf850910141837o1a359331y9af361d1c9e2996d@mail.gmail.com> ... i like it. =3D) On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Leif Theden wrote: > it looks like marlin and dory's lovechild. > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Rhys Black wrote: >> Ha, I know, but I am totally posting about it right now. >> >> ~Rhys >> >> David Hinkle wrote: >>> >>> I know, I know, not very linuxy. But this is my favorite saltwater fish= . I >>> keep him very fat and happy, but he=92s a shy little thing, and not apt= to >>> often come out and be seen. >>> >>> >>> http://frugalreef.com/wiki/images/2/2d/Synchiropus_splendidus_2_Luc_Via= tour.jpg >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > From preludelinux@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 03:59:21 2009 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:59:21 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e cable laying around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway box. might need some software to help with downloads and heavy bandwidth user. try ebay for switchs On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probably > throw toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-out= , > so can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. > > I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and > recently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with m= ore > robust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new conditio= n > without any difficulties. > > Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as needed, > and will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll b= e > needing it. It's yours, free, if needed. > > ~Rhys > > > David Hinkle wrote: > >> >> Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable >> project: >> >> Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 me= g >> down. This is enough in my opinion to provide =93basic=94 internet to th= e entire >> facility. >> >> Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want to >> connect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would w= ork. >> Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. >> Derbynet doesn=92t have any presence in rock island, so we don=92t have = a tower >> we can feed you off of. We=92d need to put one in at the courts. This wo= uld >> cost a few hundred dollars. >> >> If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each building. >> The switch is going to be in the $300 range. We=92ll need enough cable t= o do >> the wiring and enough manpower to get it done. >> >> If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap telepho= ne >> access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to consider. >> >> I don=92t really think the project would end up being feasible unless we >> talk about something like doing the whole institution, and for something >> like that I recommend wired. We can make it very =93cheap=94 for an inst= itution >> the size that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand dollar= s to >> wire the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full >> proposal with real cost estimates. >> >> David >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/cbb797b0/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:42:19 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:42:19 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I missed the last meeting so I haven't heard about this except for this thread but so far I think it's a great idea. As far as the wired/wireless argument goes it would seem wireless would be the easier choice because you could put the connectivity/CPE cost onto the subscriber. On the other hand wired would definitely be the easiest/cheapest to maintain. I would also toss in that a caching proxy would help out a lot. I= f the purpose is a charitable project I'm sure that we could get cable/ends/wall jackes and possible even switches donated from various tech companies locally. Either way we should look at the long term goals and commitments. If we wir= e it up we can set aside one day/weekend where everyone goes over to voluntee= r and we all bring our friends who can crimp or run cable. Once the install was done it would be fairly easy to maintain a couple of switches and a nix gateway. I would agree that the 1.5mb/10mb with a decent gateway would be more than capable of providing basic internet. Where did this idea come from? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Noah Norris wrote= : > wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e cable layin= g > around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway box. might need some > software to help with downloads and heavy bandwidth user. try ebay for > switchs > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > >> However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probabl= y >> throw toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-ou= t, >> so can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. >> >> I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and >> recently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with = more >> robust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new conditi= on >> without any difficulties. >> >> Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as needed= , >> and will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll = be >> needing it. It's yours, free, if needed. >> >> ~Rhys >> >> >> David Hinkle wrote: >> >>> >>> Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable >>> project: >>> >>> Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 m= eg >>> down. This is enough in my opinion to provide =93basic=94 internet to t= he entire >>> facility. >>> >>> Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want t= o >>> connect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would = work. >>> Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. >>> Derbynet doesn=92t have any presence in rock island, so we don=92t have= a tower >>> we can feed you off of. We=92d need to put one in at the courts. This w= ould >>> cost a few hundred dollars. >>> >>> If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each building= . >>> The switch is going to be in the $300 range. We=92ll need enough cable = to do >>> the wiring and enough manpower to get it done. >>> >>> If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap >>> telephone access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to >>> consider. >>> >>> I don=92t really think the project would end up being feasible unless w= e >>> talk about something like doing the whole institution, and for somethin= g >>> like that I recommend wired. We can make it very =93cheap=94 for an ins= titution >>> the size that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand dolla= rs to >>> wire the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full >>> proposal with real cost estimates. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > > --=20 From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/485b84ca/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 17:09:35 2009 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:09:35 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Directions In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910141043h6c0e8f62sd5fd80a925387afa@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD5836D.8020706@gmail.com> <30cf66b30910141043h6c0e8f62sd5fd80a925387afa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490910150909o20cde527l7c9a6711ec739618@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, I'll have to dig pretty deep, that thing is ancient. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > If Klowner is listening do you still have the vector copy of the logo. I > would like to try something for the LUG. From t.shearouse@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 17:17:29 2009 From: t.shearouse@gmail.com (Tim Shearouse) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:17:29 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I similarly missed the last meeting but am interested. The businessman in m= e is screaming a little, though. We will need: - Benefit summary explaining how it will help the residents. This may seem self-explanatory to us, and Finland *did* just rule that internet access is a basic human right, but we'll still need to justify it if we'= re going to get funding. - Full cost estimate, including both up-front and ongoing expenses. - Projected time frame. Only once we have these details planned out will we be able to start to apply for sponsorships. Given that we're at the end of a fiscal year, we should definitely give a time frame of next year (maybe a summer project?), as funding will be hard to get right now. One sticky point I can see is the ongoing cost of the Mediacom connection. It's much easier to get one-time costs sponsored than to get ongoing costs sponsored. Or were we going to charge residents a nominal fee to help offse= t that cost? Sorry to go all Dilberty on you ... just trying to think what we need to make this a reality. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Arron Lorenz wrote= : > I missed the last meeting so I haven't heard about this except for this > thread but so far I think it's a great idea. As far as the > wired/wireless argument goes it would seem wireless would be the easier > choice because you could put the connectivity/CPE cost onto the subscribe= r. > On the other hand wired would definitely be the easiest/cheapest to > maintain. I would also toss in that a caching proxy would help out a lot.= If > the purpose is a charitable project I'm sure that we could get > cable/ends/wall jackes and possible even switches donated from various te= ch > companies locally. > Either way we should look at the long term goals and commitments. If we > wire it up we can set aside one day/weekend where everyone goes over to > volunteer and we all bring our friends who can crimp or run cable. Once t= he > install was done it would be fairly easy to maintain a couple of switches > and a nix gateway. I would agree that the 1.5mb/10mb with a decent gatewa= y > would be more than capable of providing basic internet. > > Where did this idea come from? > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Noah Norris wrot= e: > > >> wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e cable layi= ng >> around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway box. might need some >> software to help with downloads and heavy bandwidth user. try ebay for >> switchs >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black wrote: >> >> >>> However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probab= ly >>> throw toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-o= ut, >>> so can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. >>> I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and >>> recently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with= more >>> robust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new condit= ion >>> without any difficulties. >>> >>> Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as neede= d, >>> and will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll= be >>> needing it. It's yours, free, if needed. >>> >>> ~Rhys >>> >>> David Hinkle wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable >>>> project: >>>> >>>> Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 >>>> meg down. This is enough in my opinion to provide =93basic=94 internet= to the >>>> entire facility. >>>> >>>> Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want = to >>>> connect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would= work. >>>> Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. >>>> Derbynet doesn=92t have any presence in rock island, so we don=92t hav= e a tower >>>> we can feed you off of. We=92d need to put one in at the courts. This = would >>>> cost a few hundred dollars. >>>> >>>> If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each buildin= g. >>>> The switch is going to be in the $300 range. We=92ll need enough cable= to do >>>> the wiring and enough manpower to get it done. >>>> >>>> If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap >>>> telephone access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to >>>> consider. >>>> >>>> I don=92t really think the project would end up being feasible unless = we >>>> talk about something like doing the whole institution, and for somethi= ng >>>> like that I recommend wired. We can make it very =93cheap=94 for an in= stitution >>>> the size that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand doll= ars to >>>> wire the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full >>>> proposal with real cost estimates. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferr= is > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/9283be3a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Oct 15 17:28:30 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:28:30 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF637BF@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment The person who is proposing the project is going to speak with the manageme= nt. We're going to float the idea to them that they can offer this as a f= ree or cheap service to their residents and see if they'll bite. If they'= re not interested in covering the monthly then it probably won't happen, be= cause as you said, paying for the ongoing connection is an issue. If they are willing to cover the monthly, then we'll proceed to work up a r= eal plan. Right now the project is still in the kicking around stage. David From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Tim Shearouse Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:17 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project I similarly missed the last meeting but am interested. The businessman in m= e is screaming a little, though. We will need: * Benefit summary explaining how it will help the residents. This may se= em self-explanatory to us, and Finland *did* just rule that internet access= is a basic human right, but we'll still need to justify it if we're going = to get funding. * Full cost estimate, including both up-front and ongoing expenses. * Projected time frame. Only once we have these details planned out will we be able to start to app= ly for sponsorships. Given that we're at the end of a fiscal year, we shoul= d definitely give a time frame of next year (maybe a summer project?), as f= unding will be hard to get right now. One sticky point I can see is the ongoing cost of the Mediacom connection. = It's much easier to get one-time costs sponsored than to get ongoing costs = sponsored. Or were we going to charge residents a nominal fee to help offse= t that cost? Sorry to go all Dilberty on you ... just trying to think what we need to ma= ke this a reality. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Arron Lorenz > wrote: I missed the last meeting so I haven't heard about this except for this thr= ead but so far I think it's a great idea. As far as the wired/wireless argu= ment goes it would seem wireless would be the easier choice because you cou= ld put the connectivity/CPE cost onto the subscriber. On the other hand wir= ed would definitely be the easiest/cheapest to maintain. I would also toss = in that a caching proxy would help out a lot. If the purpose is a charitabl= e project I'm sure that we could get cable/ends/wall jackes and possible ev= en switches donated from various tech companies locally. Either way we should look at the long term goals and commitments. If we wir= e it up we can set aside one day/weekend where everyone goes over to volunt= eer and we all bring our friends who can crimp or run cable. Once the insta= ll was done it would be fairly easy to maintain a couple of switches and a = nix gateway. I would agree that the 1.5mb/10mb with a decent gateway would = be more than capable of providing basic internet. Where did this idea come from? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Noah Norris > wrote: wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e cable laying = around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway box. might need some sof= tware to help with downloads and heavy bandwidth user. try ebay for switchs On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probably t= hrow toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-out, s= o can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and rec= ently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with more r= obust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new condition w= ithout any difficulties. Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as needed, a= nd will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll be n= eeding it. It's yours, free, if needed. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable project: Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 meg d= own. This is enough in my opinion to provide "basic" internet to the entire= facility. Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want to co= nnect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would work. = Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. Derby= net doesn't have any presence in rock island, so we don't have a tower we c= an feed you off of. We'd need to put one in at the courts. This would cost = a few hundred dollars. If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each building. Th= e switch is going to be in the $300 range. We'll need enough cable to do th= e wiring and enough manpower to get it done. If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap telephone = access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to consider. I don't really think the project would end up being feasible unless we talk= about something like doing the whole institution, and for something like t= hat I recommend wired. We can make it very "cheap" for an institution the s= ize that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand dollars to wir= e the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full proposa= l with real cost estimates. David _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/c40bba99/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Oct 15 17:34:12 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:34:12 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF637C5@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment One of the main reasons I like wired is because the goal of the project is = to make the internet dirt cheap/free for the people there, because they pro= bably can't afford to cough up money for any equipment or a big monthly. I= also like it because it gives the institution a solid infrastructure that = will be good enough for the coming decade, and that infrastructure will rea= ch everybody in the facility. I also like wired because there is nothing in the apartment that's expensiv= e or breakable that people might be forced to replace if it should be nonfu= nctional. David From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Arron Lorenz Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:42 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project I missed the last meeting so I haven't heard about this except for this thr= ead but so far I think it's a great idea. As far as the wired/wireless argu= ment goes it would seem wireless would be the easier choice because you cou= ld put the connectivity/CPE cost onto the subscriber. On the other hand wir= ed would definitely be the easiest/cheapest to maintain. I would also toss = in that a caching proxy would help out a lot. If the purpose is a charitabl= e project I'm sure that we could get cable/ends/wall jackes and possible ev= en switches donated from various tech companies locally. Either way we should look at the long term goals and commitments. If we wir= e it up we can set aside one day/weekend where everyone goes over to volunt= eer and we all bring our friends who can crimp or run cable. Once the insta= ll was done it would be fairly easy to maintain a couple of switches and a = nix gateway. I would agree that the 1.5mb/10mb with a decent gateway would = be more than capable of providing basic internet. Where did this idea come from? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Noah Norris > wrote: wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e cable laying = around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway box. might need some sof= tware to help with downloads and heavy bandwidth user. try ebay for switchs On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probably t= hrow toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-out, s= o can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and rec= ently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with more r= obust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new condition w= ithout any difficulties. Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as needed, a= nd will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll be n= eeding it. It's yours, free, if needed. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable project: Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 meg d= own. This is enough in my opinion to provide "basic" internet to the entire= facility. Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want to co= nnect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would work. = Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. Derby= net doesn't have any presence in rock island, so we don't have a tower we c= an feed you off of. We'd need to put one in at the courts. This would cost = a few hundred dollars. If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each building. Th= e switch is going to be in the $300 range. We'll need enough cable to do th= e wiring and enough manpower to get it done. If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap telephone = access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to consider. I don't really think the project would end up being feasible unless we talk= about something like doing the whole institution, and for something like t= hat I recommend wired. We can make it very "cheap" for an institution the s= ize that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand dollars to wir= e the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full proposa= l with real cost estimates. David _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f872743a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From t.shearouse@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 17:36:06 2009 From: t.shearouse@gmail.com (Tim Shearouse) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:36:06 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF637BF@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF637BF@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thanks David. It helps to know we're not kicking ideas around without hope of funding :) When it comes time to apply for funding, I believe this is something either the RDA or the Deere Foundation may be willing to fund. I would try RDA first, their application process is simpler. (Disclaimer: I do work for Deere, but have nothing to do with the charitabl= e John Deere Foundation or their decisions) On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM, David Hinkle wrote= : > The person who is proposing the project is going to speak with the > management. We=92re going to float the idea to them that they can offer= this > as a free or cheap service to their residents and see if they=92ll bite. = If > they=92re not interested in covering the monthly then it probably won=92t > happen, because as you said, paying for the ongoing connection is an issu= e. > > > > If they are willing to cover the monthly, then we=92ll proceed to work up= a > real plan. Right now the project is still in the kicking around stage. > > > David > > > > *From:* qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Tim Shearouse > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:17 AM > *To:* qclug@qclug.org > *Subject:* Re: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project > > > > I similarly missed the last meeting but am interested. The businessman in > me is screaming a little, though. We will need: > > - Benefit summary explaining how it will help the residents. This may > seem self-explanatory to us, and Finland *did* just rule that internet > access is a basic human right, but we'll still need to justify it if w= e're > going to get funding. > - Full cost estimate, including both up-front and ongoing expenses. > - Projected time frame. > > Only once we have these details planned out will we be able to start to > apply for sponsorships. Given that we're at the end of a fiscal year, we > should definitely give a time frame of next year (maybe a summer project?= ), > as funding will be hard to get right now. > > One sticky point I can see is the ongoing cost of the Mediacom connection= . > It's much easier to get one-time costs sponsored than to get ongoing cost= s > sponsored. Or were we going to charge residents a nominal fee to help off= set > that cost? > > > > Sorry to go all Dilberty on you ... just trying to think what we need to > make this a reality. > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Arron Lorenz > wrote: > > > > I missed the last meeting so I haven't heard about this except for this > thread but so far I think it's a great idea. As far as the > wired/wireless argument goes it would seem wireless would be the easier > choice because you could put the connectivity/CPE cost onto the subscribe= r. > On the other hand wired would definitely be the easiest/cheapest to > maintain. I would also toss in that a caching proxy would help out a lot.= If > the purpose is a charitable project I'm sure that we could get > cable/ends/wall jackes and possible even switches donated from various te= ch > companies locally. > > > > Either way we should look at the long term goals and commitments. If we > wire it up we can set aside one day/weekend where everyone goes over to > volunteer and we all bring our friends who can crimp or run cable. Once t= he > install was done it would be fairly easy to maintain a couple of switches > and a nix gateway. I would agree that the 1.5mb/10mb with a decent gatewa= y > would be more than capable of providing basic internet. > > > > Where did this idea come from? > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Noah Norris > wrote: > > > > wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e cable layin= g > around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway box. might need some > software to help with downloads and heavy bandwidth user. try ebay for > switchs > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > > > > However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I can probably > throw toward the cause. At the very least, it has the standard 1-in 4-out= , > so can act as a hub if the router stuff is disabled. > > > > I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to configure it, and > recently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band Wireless-N Gigabit Router with m= ore > robust configuration options, so it's a recent model in like new conditio= n > without any difficulties. > > > > Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, as needed, > and will need different hardware to do anything better, so I doubt I'll b= e > needing it. It's yours, free, if needed. > > > > ~Rhys > > > > David Hinkle wrote: > > > > Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts charitable > project: > > > > Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 meg up and 10 meg > down. This is enough in my opinion to provide =93basic=94 internet to the= entire > facility. > > > > Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many units you want to > connect. If you only want to connect a handful of units wireless would wo= rk. > Customer premises equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. > Derbynet doesn=92t have any presence in rock island, so we don=92t have a= tower > we can feed you off of. We=92d need to put one in at the courts. This wou= ld > cost a few hundred dollars. > > > > If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in each building. > The switch is going to be in the $300 range. We=92ll need enough cable to= do > the wiring and enough manpower to get it done. > > > > If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very cheap telephon= e > access to the residents using an asterisk PBX. Something to consider. > > > > I don=92t really think the project would end up being feasible unless we = talk > about something like doing the whole institution, and for something like > that I recommend wired. We can make it very =93cheap=94 for an institutio= n the > size that it is, but it will still probably be a few thousand dollars to > wire the whole place. If the management has interest, we can do a full > proposal with real cost estimates. > > > > David > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > From: > > Arron James Lorenz > > http://ArronLorenz.com > > (563) 4470-AJL > > > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > > DavenportDriveIn.com > > > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferr= is > > > > > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/08fe0243/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Oct 15 19:00:52 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:00:52 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF6369B@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD63480.9000304@gmail.com> <65dc1580910141959l57a07c84v2d3352dd62bd9b85@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30910150842l1d911921n3b2c7d72a8095267@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD76354.4080402@gmail.com> For any of those who missed the meeting, don't despair! I posted articles on just about everything that I saw on the new QCLUG LinkedIn Group (I don't have the details for the MythBox and somehow missed the technical discussion on the thing with the two poles). Those who posted to the mailing list in the past month were already sent an invite, but if for some reason anyone missed their invite, go to: http://www.linkedin.com/e/vgh/2387633 Pending new members have been approved and the restriction requiring approval of new members has been removed. ~Rhys Arron Lorenz wrote: > I missed the last meeting so I haven't heard about this except for > this thread but so far I think it's a great idea. As far as the > wired/wireless argument goes it would seem wireless would be the > easier choice because you could put the connectivity/CPE cost onto the > subscriber. On the other hand wired would definitely be the > easiest/cheapest to maintain. I would also toss in that > a caching proxy would help out a lot. If the purpose is a charitable > project I'm sure that we could get cable/ends/wall jackes and possible > even switches donated from various tech companies locally. > > Either way we should look at the long term goals and commitments. If > we wire it up we can set aside one day/weekend where everyone goes > over to volunteer and we all bring our friends who can crimp or run > cable. Once the install was done it would be fairly easy to maintain a > couple of switches and a nix gateway. I would agree that the > 1.5mb/10mb with a decent gateway would be more than capable of > providing basic internet. > > Where did this idea come from? > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Noah Norris > wrote: > > wired sounds best. i can help wire and i may have some cat-5e > cable laying around. i suggest using a linux pc for the gateway > box. might need some software to help with downloads and heavy > bandwidth user. try ebay for switchs > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: > > However it's done, I have a spare Belkin Wireless G Router I > can probably throw toward the cause. At the very least, it has > the standard 1-in 4-out, so can act as a hub if the router > stuff is disabled. > > I bought it a few months ago, know pretty well how to > configure it, and recently upgraded to a Linksys Dual-band > Wireless-N Gigabit Router with more robust configuration > options, so it's a recent model in like new condition without > any difficulties. > > Anyway, I've got enough to wire in a few extra computers here, > as needed, and will need different hardware to do anything > better, so I doubt I'll be needing it. It's yours, free, if > needed. > > ~Rhys > > > David Hinkle wrote: > > > Some numbers in regards to the discussed arsenal courts > charitable project: > > Business Internet from Mediacom: $139 per month for 1.5 > meg up and 10 meg down. This is enough in my opinion to > provide “basic” internet to the entire facility. > > Whether to do wireless or do wired depends on how many > units you want to connect. If you only want to connect a > handful of units wireless would work. Customer premises > equipment for wireless now runs about $70 per unit. > Derbynet doesn’t have any presence in rock island, so we > don’t have a tower we can feed you off of. We’d need to > put one in at the courts. This would cost a few hundred > dollars. > > If you want to wire every unit, we would need a switch in > each building. The switch is going to be in the $300 > range. We’ll need enough cable to do the wiring and enough > manpower to get it done. > > If we wire every unit, we could also probably provide very > cheap telephone access to the residents using an asterisk > PBX. Something to consider. > > I don’t really think the project would end up being > feasible unless we talk about something like doing the > whole institution, and for something like that I recommend > wired. We can make it very “cheap” for an institution the > size that it is, but it will still probably be a few > thousand dollars to wire the whole place. If the > management has interest, we can do a full proposal with > real cost estimates. > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy > Ferris > From tgoltz@QuietSoftware.com Fri Oct 16 03:38:32 2009 From: tgoltz@QuietSoftware.com (Tom Goltz) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:38:32 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <20091015163625.809B0212095@mail.quietsoftware.com> References: <20091015163625.809B0212095@mail.quietsoftware.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20091015213532.029dd920@QuietSoftware.com> The other issue I would worry about: Providing support for this monster on an ongoing basis. Who is going to answer questions, provide tech support to the end users and be responsible for calling Mediacom and working with them when the service goes down? Ideally, this should be a team of volunteers, as this will rapidly overwhelm a single person. The important idea here is to not just have a plan for installation and getting it working initially, but another plan for keeping it working and useful for an extended period of time. Based on having done this kind of thing in the past, the $130 to Mediacom is the cheap part. From pdameasap@gmail.com Fri Oct 16 04:49:12 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:49:12 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux HCL ~ $300 In-Reply-To: <1252699451.3316.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4AA94827.80002@gmail.com> <4AA9537B.5090405@gmail.com> <4AA9690A.4060509@gmail.com> <1252699451.3316.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4AD7ED38.4000902@gmail.com> I wanted to say a big thank you to Mike for his wonderful suggestion. The Gateway from Woot has turned out to be head and shoulders above my old computer, fully 4x as powerful in terms of processor speed, 1 more Gb of RAM with the option to double to 8 Gb for cheap, about 10x the hd space which I had filled, and even a better graphic card. Kudos to you, sir! ~Rhys Mike Robinson wrote: > check out the deal at woot for today...move fast if your interested > > http://www.woot.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Kristan > Reply-to: qclug@qclug.org > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux HCL ~ $300 > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:38:08 -0500 > > When buying from the Dell Outlet, I would advise you to also check new > prices, sometimes the difference is negligible, when I ordered my > netbook from Dell, new was actually cheaper! > > > Jim K > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Tim Shearouse > wrote: > Buying from the Dell outlet you can't customize the computers -- > that's why you get a better price, they're machines someone else > configured and then returned or declined for some reason. But > you'll be fine, the Pentium D will easily outstrip a single-core > Athlon. > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: > My current machine is only a single core AMD Athlon 2500 > + > > Current demands are low but applications for the web > server may scale because they're Facebook. In the event > they scale, though, neither of these machines are likely > to serve the demand themselves, in which case I suppose > I'll either just buy more, or buy some specifically for > colocating at an ISP. > > re the outlet.us.dell.com one, > possible to put a better processor in it? > > By the way, thanks for all the awesome responses. > However we end up doing this, I'm really looking > forward to getting this business running entirely or > mostly on linux machines. > > ~Rhys > > Tim Shearouse wrote: > Since you only have a week, pre-built sounds > best. Otherwise it takes time for all the > individual parts to come in, then time to meet > up and build it ... then we just hope it doesn't > take extra time to handle any DOA parts. > The only concern I'd have with that machine is > the processor. What's in your current machine, > and what kind of load does it see? > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Rhys Black > > wrote: > > Failover. I remember having done the > research on ECC vs non-ECC > RAM some time back, but don't really remember > the high points. I > just remember that non-registered was the > best for what I was > looking for, then. > > I actually just came back from > outlet.us.dell.com > > and found this: > > > > http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventoryDetails?systemId=EZ1FH2TG&~lt=popup&c=us&l=en&s=dfb&cs=28# > > > > > > Does that look like it would be suitable for > what I'm talking about? > > In absence of that, I would love to build it > (if you build it they > will come... LOL) just terrified of the > responsibility of doing it > myself. I'd rather have an experienced hand > around in case I get > the urge to screw the mb onto the side of the > tower w/o washers. > > I am available Monday, but the friend will > only be at his place > through next week. Shipping will get tight, > I'm sure. > > ~Rhys > > Tim Shearouse wrote: > > Nearly any monitor will work -- just be > sure to match the > interface (DVI vs. VGA) with what you > have on your computer, > or else get a matching adapter. > Are you looking for a data backup > server, or a failover > server? I'm guessing based on the RAM / > CPU requirements > you're looking at an always-on failover > server. Are you > concerned about ECC vs. non-ECC RAM? With > your price point, if > you're looking for stock desktop parts, > you can usually find > > something decent on outlet.dell.com > > >. > > > If you want to go custom-built, you can > get a high-end Athlon > X2 processor, 4GB ram, a 500GB hard > drive, dvd drive, case > with power supply, and decent motherboard > for $300 - $350. A > second hard drive to mirror the data > would push it into the > $350 - $400 range. > I'd be more than willing to help with > the build for nothing > more than the fun of yet another computer > build -- having you > there to watch would be no problem at all > -- but it might be a > bit before I have the free time. Mondays > in October I don't > work, that might be easiest if you'd > like. > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Rhys > Black > > > > >> wrote: > > First, I'd like to say hi to the > list. This is my first > post and, > although I am a programmer and have > run Linux before (dual boot > XP/SuSe), I consider myself a rank > noob. > > I run my own web server and email > server using Apache Httpd, > Tomcat, and JAMES (on a Win XP HE box) > and would like to buy, > configure, and send via snailmail a > bare bones Linux box to a > friend in another state - who is > knowledgeable with Linux - > so I > can have one or more backup servers at > different locations > in case > my local machine has down time which - > you know, being > Windows - > happens. I would like to buy an extra > monitor which will > work for > both Linux and Windows so I can use > that monitor to > troubleshoot > the tower or minitower before sending, > but use as a dual > monitor > for my PC at other times. Later on, > I'd like to splinter the > monitor off to a full Linux computer > locally, also to run > server > software. > > I am not very experienced selecting > hardware, although I've > built > my own computer before, and could use > some help selecting > hardware > that would be worthwhile for this, > preferably pre-built, but > wouldn't mind paying someone a nominal > fee if they don't > mind me > watching in person while it's built. > > For the hardware, I'm looking to spend > somewhere in the > ballpark > of $3-400 as I will likely need to buy > several such systems. I > will probably need 3-4 GB RAM, onboard > graphics is probably > fine, > any modern HD is probably fine, and as > good a CPU as I can find > for the money, preferably AMD or at > the very least non-Intel. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Am available for response via email > from here, or if realtime > communication is possible am also > active on IRC, AIM, YMI, MSN > Messenger, and available via phone as > well. For contact > details, > ask via personal email. > > ~Rhys > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > > > > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Fri Oct 16 18:55:47 2009 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:55:47 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20091015213532.029dd920@QuietSoftware.com> References: <20091015163625.809B0212095@mail.quietsoftware.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20091015213532.029dd920@QuietSoftware.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF638BB@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> I don't think it would be that bad. This being a free offering we're not go= ing to try to do a helpdesk or a phone pool or anything like that. The on= ly real points of failure on the network would be the switches loosing swit= ch ports. When Mediacom is down, it's down, and there's little that anybo= dy can do about it. We can monitor the connection and the router we instal= l with something like Nagios and respond if something we control breaks. I'd recommend just having a paper complaint form in the front office a pers= on could fill out if their stuff isn't working. Once or twice a month, on= e of us could go down, test any ports reporting trouble from the back end a= nd certify that they are either working or not working. However, If the project does happen, and someone wants to organize some sor= t of community support system, more power to them. As you said, it would r= equire a time commitment an order of magnitude greater than anything discus= sed so far, but if there are people that want to do it I'll be happy to sup= port them with infrastructure. From my perspective, I was going to bring si= gnal into the room and leave the rest up to residents. =20 David =20 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Tom Goltz Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project=20 The other issue I would worry about: Providing support for this=20 monster on an ongoing basis. Who is going to answer questions,=20 provide tech support to the end users and be responsible for calling=20 Mediacom and working with them when the service goes down? Ideally,=20 this should be a team of volunteers, as this will rapidly overwhelm a=20 single person. The important idea here is to not just have a plan for installation=20 and getting it working initially, but another plan for keeping it=20 working and useful for an extended period of time. Based on having=20 done this kind of thing in the past, the $130 to Mediacom is the cheap part= . _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From pdameasap@gmail.com Fri Oct 16 19:39:59 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:39:59 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF638BB@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <20091015163625.809B0212095@mail.quietsoftware.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20091015213532.029dd920@QuietSoftware.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF638BB@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4AD8BDFF.90605@gmail.com> Perhaps one of the volunteers Jim has access to will have some rudimentary IT skills such that someone can tell them the points of failure, routine maintenance such as what you describe, and what to do about simple problems such as doing a inwardly-cascading power cycle, then they can simply post to the LUG for help if they do happen to have some problems not covered. Incidentally, I'll donate $50 toward the effort, even if the wireless modem is not needed. I know it's not an ongoing commitment or anything, but at least it's a start. I'm pretty poor, but perhaps some other members are better off and might feel good about throwing in. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > I don't think it would be that bad. This being a free offering we're not going to try to do a helpdesk or a phone pool or anything like that. The only real points of failure on the network would be the switches loosing switch ports. When Mediacom is down, it's down, and there's little that anybody can do about it. We can monitor the connection and the router we install with something like Nagios and respond if something we control breaks. > > I'd recommend just having a paper complaint form in the front office a person could fill out if their stuff isn't working. Once or twice a month, one of us could go down, test any ports reporting trouble from the back end and certify that they are either working or not working. > > However, If the project does happen, and someone wants to organize some sort of community support system, more power to them. As you said, it would require a time commitment an order of magnitude greater than anything discussed so far, but if there are people that want to do it I'll be happy to support them with infrastructure. From my perspective, I was going to bring signal into the room and leave the rest up to residents. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Goltz > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project > > The other issue I would worry about: Providing support for this > monster on an ongoing basis. Who is going to answer questions, > provide tech support to the end users and be responsible for calling > Mediacom and working with them when the service goes down? Ideally, > this should be a team of volunteers, as this will rapidly overwhelm a > single person. > > The important idea here is to not just have a plan for installation > and getting it working initially, but another plan for keeping it > working and useful for an extended period of time. Based on having > done this kind of thing in the past, the $130 to Mediacom is the cheap part. > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From fatpuppystew@gmail.com Fri Oct 16 19:59:08 2009 From: fatpuppystew@gmail.com (Mike Robinson) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:59:08 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux HCL ~ $300 In-Reply-To: <4AD7ED38.4000902@gmail.com> References: <4AA94827.80002@gmail.com> <4AA9537B.5090405@gmail.com> <4AA9690A.4060509@gmail.com> <1252699451.3316.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4AD7ED38.4000902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1255719548.3093.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> glad I could help. Its a fun site with obscure stuff most times. Just don't tell me if you get one of their "bag of crap" deals. I've been watching for over a year now and haven't nabbed one yet. -----Original Message----- From: Rhys Black Reply-to: qclug@qclug.org To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux HCL ~ $300 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:49:12 -0500 I wanted to say a big thank you to Mike for his wonderful suggestion. The Gateway from Woot has turned out to be head and shoulders above my old computer, fully 4x as powerful in terms of processor speed, 1 more Gb of RAM with the option to double to 8 Gb for cheap, about 10x the hd space which I had filled, and even a better graphic card. Kudos to you, sir! ~Rhys Mike Robinson wrote: > check out the deal at woot for today...move fast if your interested > > http://www.woot.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Kristan > Reply-to: qclug@qclug.org > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux HCL ~ $300 > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:38:08 -0500 > > When buying from the Dell Outlet, I would advise you to also check new > prices, sometimes the difference is negligible, when I ordered my > netbook from Dell, new was actually cheaper! > > > Jim K > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Tim Shearouse > wrote: > Buying from the Dell outlet you can't customize the computers -- > that's why you get a better price, they're machines someone else > configured and then returned or declined for some reason. But > you'll be fine, the Pentium D will easily outstrip a single-core > Athlon. > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: > My current machine is only a single core AMD Athlon 2500 > + > > Current demands are low but applications for the web > server may scale because they're Facebook. In the event > they scale, though, neither of these machines are likely > to serve the demand themselves, in which case I suppose > I'll either just buy more, or buy some specifically for > colocating at an ISP. > > re the outlet.us.dell.com one, > possible to put a better processor in it? > > By the way, thanks for all the awesome responses. > However we end up doing this, I'm really looking > forward to getting this business running entirely or > mostly on linux machines. > > ~Rhys > > Tim Shearouse wrote: > Since you only have a week, pre-built sounds > best. Otherwise it takes time for all the > individual parts to come in, then time to meet > up and build it ... then we just hope it doesn't > take extra time to handle any DOA parts. > The only concern I'd have with that machine is > the processor. What's in your current machine, > and what kind of load does it see? > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Rhys Black > > wrote: > > Failover. I remember having done the > research on ECC vs non-ECC > RAM some time back, but don't really remember > the high points. I > just remember that non-registered was the > best for what I was > looking for, then. > > I actually just came back from > outlet.us.dell.com > > and found this: > > > > http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventoryDetails?systemId=EZ1FH2TG&~lt=popup&c=us&l=en&s=dfb&cs=28# > > > > > > Does that look like it would be suitable for > what I'm talking about? > > In absence of that, I would love to build it > (if you build it they > will come... LOL) just terrified of the > responsibility of doing it > myself. I'd rather have an experienced hand > around in case I get > the urge to screw the mb onto the side of the > tower w/o washers. > > I am available Monday, but the friend will > only be at his place > through next week. Shipping will get tight, > I'm sure. > > ~Rhys > > Tim Shearouse wrote: > > Nearly any monitor will work -- just be > sure to match the > interface (DVI vs. VGA) with what you > have on your computer, > or else get a matching adapter. > Are you looking for a data backup > server, or a failover > server? I'm guessing based on the RAM / > CPU requirements > you're looking at an always-on failover > server. Are you > concerned about ECC vs. non-ECC RAM? With > your price point, if > you're looking for stock desktop parts, > you can usually find > > something decent on outlet.dell.com > > >. > > > If you want to go custom-built, you can > get a high-end Athlon > X2 processor, 4GB ram, a 500GB hard > drive, dvd drive, case > with power supply, and decent motherboard > for $300 - $350. A > second hard drive to mirror the data > would push it into the > $350 - $400 range. > I'd be more than willing to help with > the build for nothing > more than the fun of yet another computer > build -- having you > there to watch would be no problem at all > -- but it might be a > bit before I have the free time. Mondays > in October I don't > work, that might be easiest if you'd > like. > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Rhys > Black > > > > >> wrote: > > First, I'd like to say hi to the > list. This is my first > post and, > although I am a programmer and have > run Linux before (dual boot > XP/SuSe), I consider myself a rank > noob. > > I run my own web server and email > server using Apache Httpd, > Tomcat, and JAMES (on a Win XP HE box) > and would like to buy, > configure, and send via snailmail a > bare bones Linux box to a > friend in another state - who is > knowledgeable with Linux - > so I > can have one or more backup servers at > different locations > in case > my local machine has down time which - > you know, being > Windows - > happens. I would like to buy an extra > monitor which will > work for > both Linux and Windows so I can use > that monitor to > troubleshoot > the tower or minitower before sending, > but use as a dual > monitor > for my PC at other times. Later on, > I'd like to splinter the > monitor off to a full Linux computer > locally, also to run > server > software. > > I am not very experienced selecting > hardware, although I've > built > my own computer before, and could use > some help selecting > hardware > that would be worthwhile for this, > preferably pre-built, but > wouldn't mind paying someone a nominal > fee if they don't > mind me > watching in person while it's built. > > For the hardware, I'm looking to spend > somewhere in the > ballpark > of $3-400 as I will likely need to buy > several such systems. I > will probably need 3-4 GB RAM, onboard > graphics is probably > fine, > any modern HD is probably fine, and as > good a CPU as I can find > for the money, preferably AMD or at > the very least non-Intel. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Am available for response via email > from here, or if realtime > communication is possible am also > active on IRC, AIM, YMI, MSN > Messenger, and available via phone as > well. For contact > details, > ask via personal email. > > ~Rhys > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > > > > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From dan@cpugeek.org Sat Oct 17 14:19:19 2009 From: dan@cpugeek.org (Dan Schlichting) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:19:19 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Beeping Hp Message-ID: Kevin, Did you ever figure out how to get rid of your shutdown beep on your hp laptop? Dan From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 17 18:39:35 2009 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:39:35 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Mythbox technical bits Message-ID: <4ADA0157.9060306@sbcglobal.net> Basically, it is a lunchbox case with 300w power supply, guts are: Asus M2M68-VM mobo with built-in nVidia 7-series gfx CPU is AMD Athlon 64x2 running at 2.2Ghz Corsair DDR2 2gb memory LiteOn SuperMultiDrive - reads/writes cd/dvd, no blue-ray as I don't see the point Hauppauge 1800 pvr digital tuner card (has analog tuner as well, but not working with current drivers) Hauppauge 150 pvr analog tuner card (works fine and has for years) WD Caviar 160Gb SATA hd - seems small, but all my digital stuff is squished into MPEG-4 Keyboard/mouse is a Scorpion wireless keyboard Wireless is a Belkin G USB adapter Software is 9.04 Mythbuntu distro, with Miro and PerfectBuntu as add-ins to make podcasts and codecs easier to deal with. Miro acts as my net VCR, and PerfectBuntu is a lovely script that loads codecs, some drivers, and sets up pre-fetching and other neat tweaks, with just a few questions answered from you. From leif.theden@gmail.com Sat Oct 17 18:42:31 2009 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:42:31 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Beeping Hp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9a65bf850910171042t414673fctcb6de71943733f15@mail.gmail.com> lol, no idea, but i kinda figured you were really angry at hp , from looking at the subject. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Dan Schlichting wrote: > Kevin, > > Did you ever figure out how to get rid of your shutdown beep on your hp laptop? > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From dan@cpugeek.org Sat Oct 17 18:45:43 2009 From: dan@cpugeek.org (Dan Schlichting) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:45:43 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Beeping Hp In-Reply-To: <9a65bf850910171042t414673fctcb6de71943733f15@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a65bf850910171042t414673fctcb6de71943733f15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not really I think my dell does it too. Just wondering if you got it fixed. I am not working right now so I am extremely bored and feeling charitable. I am going to be heading to my brothers to do some computer work late next week. Dan On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Leif Theden wrote: > lol, no idea, but i kinda figured you were really angry at hp , from > looking at the subject. > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Dan Schlichting wrote: >> Kevin, >> >> Did you ever figure out how to get rid of your shutdown beep on your hp laptop? >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:54:17 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:54:17 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Directions In-Reply-To: <1c9537490910150909o20cde527l7c9a6711ec739618@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF635E3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD5836D.8020706@gmail.com> <30cf66b30910141043h6c0e8f62sd5fd80a925387afa@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490910150909o20cde527l7c9a6711ec739618@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ADC3749.80300@gmail.com> Well, I tried to update the logo for the group, and succeeded after a fashion. It looks fine, but the dimensions are inappropriate and - at least generally speaking - the dimensions at which LinkedIn renders the image make the small text at the bottom impossible to make out, although the top text is not so bad. Also, as the image is taller than it is wide and the system expects an image wider than it is tall, it is scaling the height down to the max width without stretching the image width; this is keeping best fidelity with the original image, but results in the image being centered within a wide box with empty space at either end. The result looks tolerable on user pages, but looks poor on the group page itself and does not fit with other such badges on the user pages. Uploaded Picture: Width: 69px Height: 100px What it is now: Width: ~35px Height: ~50px Changes which would be good: Width: 100px Height: 50px Text should be easier to read ~Rhys Mark Riedesel wrote: > Hmm, I'll have to dig pretty deep, that thing is ancient. > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > >> If Klowner is listening do you still have the vector copy of the logo. I >> would like to try something for the LUG. >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From arronlorenz@gmail.com Tue Oct 20 03:25:58 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:25:58 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project In-Reply-To: <4AD8BDFF.90605@gmail.com> References: <20091015163625.809B0212095@mail.quietsoftware.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20091015213532.029dd920@QuietSoftware.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D2FFDF638BB@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4AD8BDFF.90605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30910191925m1f52fe35jb6cfa14acb83e517@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Any new news in regards to this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > Perhaps one of the volunteers Jim has access to will have some rudimentary > IT skills such that someone can tell them the points of failure, routine > maintenance such as what you describe, and what to do about simple problems > such as doing a inwardly-cascading power cycle, then they can simply post to > the LUG for help if they do happen to have some problems not covered. > > Incidentally, I'll donate $50 toward the effort, even if the wireless modem > is not needed. I know it's not an ongoing commitment or anything, but at > least it's a start. I'm pretty poor, but perhaps some other members are > better off and might feel good about throwing in. > > ~Rhys > > > David Hinkle wrote: > >> I don't think it would be that bad. This being a free offering we're not >> going to try to do a helpdesk or a phone pool or anything like that. The >> only real points of failure on the network would be the switches loosing >> switch ports. When Mediacom is down, it's down, and there's little that >> anybody can do about it. We can monitor the connection and the router we >> install with something like Nagios and respond if something we control >> breaks. >> >> I'd recommend just having a paper complaint form in the front office a >> person could fill out if their stuff isn't working. Once or twice a month, >> one of us could go down, test any ports reporting trouble from the back end >> and certify that they are either working or not working. >> >> However, If the project does happen, and someone wants to organize some >> sort of community support system, more power to them. As you said, it would >> require a time commitment an order of magnitude greater than anything >> discussed so far, but if there are people that want to do it I'll be happy >> to support them with infrastructure. From my perspective, I was going to >> bring signal into the room and leave the rest up to residents. >> David >> -----Original Message----- >> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf >> Of Tom Goltz >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:39 PM >> To: qclug@qclug.org >> Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Arsenal Courts Chartible Project >> The other issue I would worry about: Providing support for this monster on >> an ongoing basis. Who is going to answer questions, provide tech support to >> the end users and be responsible for calling Mediacom and working with them >> when the service goes down? Ideally, this should be a team of volunteers, >> as this will rapidly overwhelm a single person. >> >> The important idea here is to not just have a plan for installation and >> getting it working initially, but another plan for keeping it working and >> useful for an extended period of time. Based on having done this kind of >> thing in the past, the $130 to Mediacom is the cheap part. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Dan From arronlorenz@gmail.com Tue Oct 20 16:24:21 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:24:21 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] onion video thingy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30cf66b30910200824y558892cfu2a46554f62fbad03@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Are you talking about a link for the Onion News Network to add the feed to your miro box? http://www.miroguide.com/feeds/1838 On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Dan Schlichting wrote: > Randy, > > You showed us the onion video thingy in miro what do I search for to get > that? > > Thanks > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Kristan wrote: > I just noticed that Dell has Mini 9 s for $199 > Jim K From jmkris@gmail.com Tue Oct 20 22:35:09 2009 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:35:09 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Dell Mini 9 In-Reply-To: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> References: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I meant to do that,it's on the right side of the page. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=dndoxm1&s=dhs Jim K On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > Link? > > Jim Kristan wrote: > >> I just noticed that Dell has Mini 9 s for $199 >> Jim K >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Oct 22 04:27:58 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:27:58 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Removed Current Feeds In-Reply-To: <4ADE69DF.6070806@sbcglobal.net> References: <4ADE69DF.6070806@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4ADFD13E.4070306@gmail.com> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=2387633&discussionID=8714807 From preludelinux@gmail.com Fri Oct 23 13:55:34 2009 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:55:34 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Dell Mini 9 In-Reply-To: References: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment looks kinda neat n cheap dont buy usb burner from them .... last time i checked external units are cheaper then 70~$ On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > I meant to do that,it's on the right side of the page. > > http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=dndoxm1&s=dhs > > Jim K > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > >> Link? >> >> Jim Kristan wrote: >> >>> I just noticed that Dell has Mini 9 s for $199 >>> Jim K >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3967ae5e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Fri Oct 23 17:28:14 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:28:14 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Dell Mini 9 In-Reply-To: <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE1D99E.40404@gmail.com> The $290 Quad Core 4Gb RAM Gateway I got has been great thus far. It has great performance and was the cheapest computer I ever bought. I wish I could find deals like that more often. I might have more computers and would have gotten into Linux seriously quite a long time ago. What's stopped me from learning a number of programming languages and styles over the years hasn't so much been skill, but availability of suitable servers which can run the code. I have loads of books on ASP, ASP.Net, CGI using Perl, XSL/T, and other server-specific languages and learned about as much as I could about them without being able to compile code. It's a relief to finally have a chance to play with these things, now. ~Rhys Noah Norris wrote: > looks kinda neat n cheap > > dont buy usb burner from them .... last time i checked external units > are cheaper then 70~$ > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Jim Kristan > wrote: > > I meant to do that,it's on the right side of the page. > > http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=dndoxm1&s=dhs > > > Jim K > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Rhys Black > wrote: > > Link? > > > Jim Kristan wrote: > > I just noticed that Dell has Mini 9 s for $199 > Jim K > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > From pdameasap@gmail.com Fri Oct 23 20:42:33 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:42:33 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Looking For Programmer or IT Work In-Reply-To: <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE20729.7010009@gmail.com> At the October LUG meeting, I mentioned that I had been laid off from my work as a 3D programmer since February and several members said I should post my resume to the mailing list. http://www.rhysticgames.com/rb/resume Of note is that this is a programmer's resume which not only lists skills but demonstrates them: - written in PHP, HTML, CSS, and plain text - based on an open source resume template, yet significantly edited to demonstrate practical programming skills (original and modified source available upon request) - provides separate formatting for HTML, email-friendly HTML, and printer friendly text (see links at bottom) - the printer-friendly text version comes out to a single page - is hosted on a web server which I set up and administrate myself - the email given is also hosted on a server which I set up and administrate - the DNS entries for the email and web server domains are administrated by and were initially entered by me If anyone has any questions or leads for gainful employment as a programmer or in IT located either in the Rock Island, IL, or greater Quad Cities area please do contact me. ~Rhys From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sat Oct 24 14:24:43 2009 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:24:43 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] November Meeting agenda Message-ID: <997c8c1b0910240624k271dc687x82c1f47e65fc980e@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Folks, We actually have a meeting agenda for the November meeting at the Bettendorf Library: web site & mail list. I've heard back from Steve Hawkins. Anyone who has an interest in these should be there, if you can. Those who are there will make desisions. See you there, Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/336948f6/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sun Oct 25 19:02:31 2009 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:02:31 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth Message-ID: <997c8c1b0910251202k78a935d9hf820c38bd75d5b0e@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. The Invidia settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to go to 32? Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/e02b9785/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Oct 25 19:11:46 2009 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:11:46 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0910251202k78a935d9hf820c38bd75d5b0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0910251202k78a935d9hf820c38bd75d5b0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490910251211g47c1578fm9c84d0d9b63edc7e@mail.gmail.com> That depends, do you have a transparent monitor? *snicker* On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. The Invidia > settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to go to 32? > > Jim > From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 25 19:39:55 2009 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:39:55 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth Message-ID: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. The Invidia > settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to go to 32? > > Jim > The 24 bit setting is fine. The 8 'missing' bits are for alpha blending, and other manipulation stuff, if memory serves. From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Oct 25 19:47:44 2009 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:47:44 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:39 PM, agamotto wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hall wrote= : >> My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. The Invidia >> settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to go to 32? >> >> Jim >> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The 24 bit setting is fine. =C2=A0The 8 'missi= ng' bits are for alpha > blending, and other manipulation stuff, if memory serves. Correct. one byte for each channel: red, green, blue, and alpha. And since monitors are opaque objects, the transparency/alpha doesn't really get utilized. Although that makes me wonder if it'd be possible to use the additional byte to increase the RGB color range in the same manner as 8-bit color where (typically) 3 bits red, 3 bits green, and 2 bits blue.. Though I would venture to say that our current monitors wouldn't allow the difference to be very noticeable. Just ignore the 4th byte is most computationally efficient, as lightly explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truecolor From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 26 08:17:11 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:17:11 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4AE55B07.3010200@gmail.com> Pretty smart, guys. Of course that makes sense. ~Rhys agamotto wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hall > wrote: > > My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. The > Invidia > > settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to go to 32? > > > > Jim > > > > The 24 bit setting is fine. The 8 'missing' bits are for alpha > blending, and other manipulation stuff, if memory serves. > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 26 08:36:15 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:36:15 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] CentOS Installation In-Reply-To: <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE55F7F.5040909@gmail.com> I'm just starting to install CentOS. I downloaded and burned the OS media, and was going to proceed according to the suggested guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-4.8-i386-ispconfig-2 Then I noticed that the CentOS version I had downloaded seemed to be significantly more advanced. The version I have is: CentOS-5.3-i386-bin-DVD Do you guys think I will have enough difficulties that I should spend the extra time to download and burn the version specified in the tutorial, CentOS 4.8, or just wing it? ~Rhys From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 26 08:56:07 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:56:07 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: CentOS Installation In-Reply-To: <4AE55F7F.5040909@gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> <4AE55F7F.5040909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE56427.9020807@gmail.com> I think... this may be what I'm looking for. http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-5.3-i386-ispconfig-2 It has the same author, seems to be in the same series, is for i386, and is for ISPConfig 2. ~Rhys Rhys Black wrote: > I'm just starting to install CentOS. I downloaded and burned the OS > media, and was going to proceed according to the suggested guide: > > http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-4.8-i386-ispconfig-2 > > Then I noticed that the CentOS version I had downloaded seemed to be > significantly more advanced. The version I have is: > > CentOS-5.3-i386-bin-DVD > > Do you guys think I will have enough difficulties that I should spend > the extra time to download and burn the version specified in the > tutorial, CentOS 4.8, or just wing it? > > ~Rhys From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 26 15:04:55 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:04:55 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] CentOS Flash In-Reply-To: <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE5BA97.3040008@gmail.com> Eh... can't seem to get Flash working... CentOS: Mozilla FireFox I've tried several ways of doing so. I tried allowing several of Adobe's sites in FireFox's security so plugins can be installed from there. This resolved the problem with installing the Acrobat Reader, but does not seem to resolve this problem. Perhaps I have to restart my system...? Doesn't seem as though that would be necessary for something like this, so I doubt it... Think I might have better luck with Google Chrome, or is this just not possible? I do recall having heard some people complaining loudly about Flash in conjunction with Linux at the meeting. ~Rhys From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 26 15:17:10 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:10 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: CentOS Flash In-Reply-To: <4AE5BA97.3040008@gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> <4AE5BA97.3040008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE5BD76.4020100@gmail.com> Nevermind, got Flash working, now I just can't get Shockwave working. I resolved the problem by closing all instances of FireFox, then reopening. They don't appear to have a version of Shockwave other than for Mac and Windows, though. I wonder if Gnash is the answer for Shockwave or if that just works for Flash? In that case, I guess I'll have to look up how to install a tarball, then. Any ideas? I'll let you know if I resolve this, also. ~Rhys Rhys Black wrote: > Eh... can't seem to get Flash working... > > CentOS: Mozilla FireFox > > I've tried several ways of doing so. I tried allowing several of > Adobe's sites in FireFox's security so plugins can be installed from > there. This resolved the problem with installing the Acrobat Reader, > but does not seem to resolve this problem. > > Perhaps I have to restart my system...? Doesn't seem as though that > would be necessary for something like this, so I doubt it... > > Think I might have better luck with Google Chrome, or is this just not > possible? I do recall having heard some people complaining loudly > about Flash in conjunction with Linux at the meeting. > > ~Rhys > From belthesar@belthesar.com Mon Oct 26 16:57:33 2009 From: belthesar@belthesar.com (Cody Wilson) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:57:33 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: CentOS Flash In-Reply-To: <4AE5BD76.4020100@gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> <4AE5BA97.3040008@gmail.com> <4AE5BD76.4020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8a123a8b0910260957u50a63149i705b6f2c70c0f63f@mail.gmail.com> Rhys - I'm guessing you've already tried installing the plugin from here: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ >From what I'm reading, Shockwave doesn't seem to play well on any new Linux distro. But the question begs to be asked... Why? Shockwave is an old and antiquated web programming language that isn't supported by Adobe. In fact, if memory serves, it was canned during Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia. If you absolutely have to have it working, what I'm reading suggests installing it in WINE and using a WINE-installed browser for your Shockwave content. -Cody Wilson On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > Nevermind, got Flash working, now I just can't get Shockwave working. =A0= I > resolved the problem by closing all instances of FireFox, then reopening. > =A0They don't appear to have a version of Shockwave other than for Mac an= d > Windows, though. > > I wonder if Gnash is the answer for Shockwave or if that just works for > Flash? =A0In that case, I guess I'll have to look up how to install a tar= ball, > then. > > Any ideas? =A0I'll let you know if I resolve this, also. > > ~Rhys > > Rhys Black wrote: >> >> Eh... can't seem to get Flash working... >> >> CentOS: Mozilla FireFox >> >> I've tried several ways of doing so. =A0I tried allowing several of Adob= e's >> sites in FireFox's security so plugins can be installed from there. =A0T= his >> resolved the problem with installing the Acrobat Reader, but does not se= em >> to resolve this problem. >> >> Perhaps I have to restart my system...? =A0Doesn't seem as though that w= ould >> be necessary for something like this, so I doubt it... >> >> Think I might have better luck with Google Chrome, or is this just not >> possible? =A0I do recall having heard some people complaining loudly abo= ut >> Flash in conjunction with Linux at the meeting. >> >> ~Rhys >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From crossguy@hotmail.com Mon Oct 26 20:38:58 2009 From: crossguy@hotmail.com (Ben Ziegler) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:38:58 +0000 Subject: [QCLUG] QC 2600 Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi folks -=20 I'm putting together a 2600 meeting: Friday=2C November 6=2C 5pm Coffee Hound 4141 7th St=2C East Moline=2C IL Miscellaneous info/FAQs: -free wifi (their claim=2C I haven't tested it) -MetroLink bus service runs nearby -More about 2600 at 2600.org/meetings -Contact me at this email address (off-list=2C please=2C to avoid spamming = the uninterested) -Please pass this information to other interested parties: QCS=2C local col= leges=2C etc. -Why are you doing this? =20 To have one more way for people to meet and do interesting things. 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URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/e1b23013/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Mon Oct 26 21:50:53 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:50:53 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: CentOS Flash In-Reply-To: <8a123a8b0910260957u50a63149i705b6f2c70c0f63f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <1c9537490910251247o559dfe6l19ce4d03ea53cea4@mail.gmail.com> <4AE5BA97.3040008@gmail.com> <4AE5BD76.4020100@gmail.com> <8a123a8b0910260957u50a63149i705b6f2c70c0f63f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE619BD.7010108@gmail.com> I know, right? It was really just the Adobe site which made me feel like maybe I was missing something when I went to check whether Flash were working and the browser kept complaining it didn't have the right plugin for the Shockwave content, too... I'm just going to do the right thing and fuggeddaboudit. ~Rhys Cody Wilson wrote: > Rhys - > > I'm guessing you've already tried installing the plugin from here: > http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ > > >From what I'm reading, Shockwave doesn't seem to play well on any new > Linux distro. But the question begs to be asked... Why? Shockwave is > an old and antiquated web programming language that isn't supported by > Adobe. In fact, if memory serves, it was canned during Adobe's > acquisition of Macromedia. If you absolutely have to have it working, > what I'm reading suggests installing it in WINE and using a > WINE-installed browser for your Shockwave content. > > -Cody Wilson > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > >> Nevermind, got Flash working, now I just can't get Shockwave working. I >> resolved the problem by closing all instances of FireFox, then reopening. >> They don't appear to have a version of Shockwave other than for Mac and >> Windows, though. >> >> I wonder if Gnash is the answer for Shockwave or if that just works for >> Flash? In that case, I guess I'll have to look up how to install a tarball, >> then. >> >> Any ideas? I'll let you know if I resolve this, also. >> >> ~Rhys >> >> Rhys Black wrote: >> >>> Eh... can't seem to get Flash working... >>> >>> CentOS: Mozilla FireFox >>> >>> I've tried several ways of doing so. I tried allowing several of Adobe's >>> sites in FireFox's security so plugins can be installed from there. This >>> resolved the problem with installing the Acrobat Reader, but does not seem >>> to resolve this problem. >>> >>> Perhaps I have to restart my system...? Doesn't seem as though that would >>> be necessary for something like this, so I doubt it... >>> >>> Think I might have better luck with Google Chrome, or is this just not >>> possible? I do recall having heard some people complaining loudly about >>> Flash in conjunction with Linux at the meeting. >>> >>> ~Rhys >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 06:22:52 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:22:52 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] CentOS Server/Desktop In-Reply-To: <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE934BC.2040502@gmail.com> The installation is going pretty well. I've only got a few issues: 1. Having difficulty getting the latest version of FireFox installed. I can yum install firefox until I'm blue in the face, but I only end up with 3.0 when the current version is 3.5 something. I can get rpmbuild sources, I think, but am not familiar with the syntax for rpmbuild. It's also possible that I could run a version in parallel, but I could probably use some help with that, too. 2. Since I can install Apache James on both Windows and Linux, I am installing and configuring that. I could probably use some help with that. Especially, I'm wondering how I should look at configuring so that the Linux server can act as a failover server. I'm pretty sure I could do that by specifying in the DNS entries for the mail servers to get round-robin'd, but I wonder what the best way to do it is. Also, I wonder how the mail servers should be configured differently. If it's round-robin'd, then at any given time a particular server could get contacted to receive email. While receiving email, though, either server might receive. So, assuming there are 2 servers, each time a user would connect for email they'd have a 50% chance of getting email from one server. Depending on how the round-robin were implemented, this could leave an email being left on one server for quite some time; so, even though the email were received by one of the servers, the user might not get it for a while. When one server receives an email, should it somehow try to synchronize with the other one, like via FTP or something? 3. For now, at least, both servers are attached to the same router. How do I set up services in parallel? Specify a different external port to be intercepted by the router then routed to the correct default internal port, do something with the DNS entries? Etc? 4. I'm wondering about the same sort of thing with identifying the separate servers so that, for example, I can ftp to one server or the other and be assured that I am indeed reaching the physical server I desire. How is this done? I assume with DNS entries, also? 5. My overall design is to serve with nginx on the Linux one, route some requests internally to tornado instances, but route some requests to the other machine's apache server. Wondering how to do this in general, also. Any ideas you guys might have would be wonderful. ~Rhys From QCAdmin@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:55:22 2009 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:55:22 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] CentOS Server/Desktop In-Reply-To: <4AE934BC.2040502@gmail.com> References: <4ADE2BD5.3090300@gmail.com> <65dc1580910230555m1b72f906id542df7d57ea1259@mail.gmail.com> <4AE934BC.2040502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rhys, For most of what you are looking for, you would require 2 separate external IP addresses or a 3rd internal server to act as a load balancer / redirector. You can't specify port numbers in DNS, only IP's so to do round-robin, you need the same ports mapped on 2 different IP's, each pointing to their own server. You are correct that with round-robin, it just alternates the load across the servers. If one server fails, then 50% of the connections would start to fail. With everything except SMTP, it requires a 3rd server that acts as a front-end load balancer. The client connects to the load balancer, which determines which servers are available, and which has the lowest load, then it forwards the request on to the appropriate server. For SMTP, it is a little easier. You simply create a 2nd MX record for the fail-over server with a higher (smaller) priority number. Incoming mail will attempt to be delivered at the lowest numbered MX record, unless it is unavailable, at which point the originating server will try the next MX record in line. Getting mailboxes synced between two servers if a very rough task from what I understand. Typically, two SMTP servers are used, but only one POP3/IMAP server. The second SMTP acts as a fail-over, and is configured to relay the mail to the first server when it becomes available. This way, incoming mail is not lost if the primary server becomes unavailable. Postini has a really nice video that explains MX records: http://www.postini.com/webdocs/training/en/email_activate/email_mx= records.html Cooper On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > The installation is going pretty well. =A0I've only got a few issues: > > 1. Having difficulty getting the latest version of FireFox installed. =A0= I can > yum install firefox until I'm blue in the face, but I only end up with 3.= 0 > when the current version is 3.5 something. =A0I can get rpmbuild sources,= I > think, but am not familiar with the syntax for rpmbuild. =A0It's also pos= sible > that I could run a version in parallel, but I could probably use some hel= p > with that, too. > > 2. Since I can install Apache James on both Windows and Linux, I am > installing and configuring that. =A0I could probably use some help with t= hat. > =A0Especially, I'm wondering how I should look at configuring so that the > Linux server can act as a failover server. =A0I'm pretty sure I could do = that > by specifying in the DNS entries for the mail servers to get round-robin'= d, > but I wonder what the best way to do it is. =A0Also, I wonder how the mai= l > servers should be configured differently. =A0If it's round-robin'd, then = at > any given time a particular server could get contacted to receive email. > =A0While receiving email, though, either server might receive. =A0So, ass= uming > there are 2 servers, each time a user would connect for email they'd have= a > 50% chance of getting email from one server. =A0Depending on how the > round-robin were implemented, this could leave an email being left on one > server for quite some time; so, even though the email were received by on= e > of the servers, the user might not get it for a while. =A0When one server > receives an email, should it somehow try to synchronize with the other on= e, > like via FTP or something? > > 3. For now, at least, both servers are attached to the same router. =A0Ho= w do > I set up services in parallel? =A0Specify a different external port to be > intercepted by the router then routed to the correct default internal por= t, > do something with the DNS entries? =A0Etc? > > 4. I'm wondering about the same sort of thing with identifying the separa= te > servers so that, for example, I can ftp to one server or the other and be > assured that I am indeed reaching the physical server I desire. =A0How is= this > done? =A0I assume with DNS entries, also? > > 5. My overall design is to serve with nginx on the Linux one, route some > requests internally to tornado instances, but route some requests to the > other machine's apache server. =A0Wondering how to do this in general, al= so. > > Any ideas you guys might have would be wonderful. > > ~Rhys > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:02:57 2009 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:02:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <4AE55B07.3010200@gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <4AE55B07.3010200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0910290702p58df38eeoba46846608c5eab9@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > Pretty smart, guys. Of course that makes sense. > > ~Rhys > > > agamotto wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hall >> wrote: >> > My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. The Invidia >> > settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to go to 32? >> > >> > Jim >> > >> >> The 24 bit setting is fine. The 8 'missing' bits are for alpha >> blending, and other manipulation stuff, if memory serves. >> _______________________________________________ >> > > Thanks for the refresher, guys. A long time ago when I did some typesetting I looked up the 32 bit info, and as you say, its not needed for stuff people really use. The reason I asked was because I have a small game under Wine that won't go full screen. Everything else works perfectly. One suggestion was to make sure I had all modes and color depths in xorg.conf and have Twinview disabled (Nvidia card). Both appear to be correct, but I could have messed something up. Although everything else seems to work fine. I still think it's something about the interaction between Wine and the program. It goes to full screen in Windoze by default. So you've confirmed that thought, it's not a Linux problem. Anyway, thanks again. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/5e352772/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From baldylinux@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:50:57 2009 From: baldylinux@gmail.com (Baldy) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:50:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0910290702p58df38eeoba46846608c5eab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <4AE55B07.3010200@gmail.com> <997c8c1b0910290702p58df38eeoba46846608c5eab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9ABD1.6060200@gmail.com> Jim Hall wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Rhys Black > wrote: > > Pretty smart, guys. Of course that makes sense. > > ~Rhys > > > agamotto wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Jim Hall > > wrote: > > My xorg.conf has the modes I need and color depths up to 32. > The Invidia > > settings tool only goes to 24. Any way I can get the tool to > go to 32? > > > > Jim > > > > The 24 bit setting is fine. The 8 'missing' bits are for > alpha blending, and other manipulation stuff, if memory serves. > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Thanks for the refresher, guys. A long time ago when I did some > typesetting I looked up the 32 bit info, and as you say, its not > needed for stuff people really use. > > The reason I asked was because I have a small game under Wine that > won't go full screen. Everything else works perfectly. One suggestion > was to make sure I had all modes and color depths in xorg.conf and > have Twinview disabled (Nvidia card). Both appear to be correct, but I > could have messed something up. Although everything else seems to work > fine. > > I still think it's something about the interaction between Wine and > the program. It goes to full screen in Windoze by default. So you've > confirmed that thought, it's not a Linux problem. > > Anyway, thanks again. > Jim And don't forget Jim wine is now developed enough to allow you to also get any virus that you might run into there was a huge article about that on a couple of websites, a couple of weeks ago -- http://www.baldysparadox.com http://thebarrel.net/blog ICQ #899207 Registered Linux User #266786 Skype Riverhack Open 24 hours a day for your browsing ease! From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 15:24:57 2009 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:24:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <4AE9ABD1.6060200@gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <4AE55B07.3010200@gmail.com> <997c8c1b0910290702p58df38eeoba46846608c5eab9@mail.gmail.com> <4AE9ABD1.6060200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0910290824l7154eabai20777c6a10c546f@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment > > >> Thanks for the refresher, guys. A long time ago when I did some >> typesetting I looked up the 32 bit info, and as you say, its not needed for >> stuff people really use. >> >> The reason I asked was because I have a small game under Wine that won't >> go full screen. Everything else works perfectly. One suggestion was to make >> sure I had all modes and color depths in xorg.conf and have Twinview >> disabled (Nvidia card). Both appear to be correct, but I could have messed >> something up. Although everything else seems to work fine. >> >> I still think it's something about the interaction between Wine and the >> program. It goes to full screen in Windoze by default. So you've confirmed >> that thought, it's not a Linux problem. >> >> Anyway, thanks again. >> Jim >> > And don't forget Jim wine is now developed enough to allow you to also get > any virus that you might run into there was a huge article about that on a > couple of websites, a couple of weeks ago > > -- > Yes, I know. Hopefully, since I only go online for WOW, that reduces the possibility greatly. Fingers crossed. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1b88892d/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From baldylinux@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 15:50:45 2009 From: baldylinux@gmail.com (Baldy) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:50:45 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Color depth In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0910290824l7154eabai20777c6a10c546f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE4A98B.3010702@sbcglobal.net> <4AE55B07.3010200@gmail.com> <997c8c1b0910290702p58df38eeoba46846608c5eab9@mail.gmail.com> <4AE9ABD1.6060200@gmail.com> <997c8c1b0910290824l7154eabai20777c6a10c546f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9B9D5.603@gmail.com> Jim Hall wrote: > > > Thanks for the refresher, guys. A long time ago when I did > some typesetting I looked up the 32 bit info, and as you say, > its not needed for stuff people really use. > > The reason I asked was because I have a small game under Wine > that won't go full screen. Everything else works perfectly. > One suggestion was to make sure I had all modes and color > depths in xorg.conf and have Twinview disabled (Nvidia card). > Both appear to be correct, but I could have messed something > up. Although everything else seems to work fine. > > I still think it's something about the interaction between > Wine and the program. It goes to full screen in Windoze by > default. So you've confirmed that thought, it's not a Linux > problem. > > Anyway, thanks again. > Jim > > And don't forget Jim wine is now developed enough to allow you to > also get any virus that you might run into there was a huge > article about that on a couple of websites, a couple of weeks ago > > -- > > > > > Yes, I know. Hopefully, since I only go online for WOW, that reduces > the possibility greatly. Fingers crossed. > > Jim LOL a lot of folks get them there. But good luck. -- http://www.baldysparadox.com http://thebarrel.net/blog ICQ #899207 Registered Linux User #266786 Skype Riverhack Open 24 hours a day for your browsing ease! From arronlorenz@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 15:56:40 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:56:40 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! Message-ID: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment http://www.ubuntu.com/ Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made the plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/bcec38ea/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From baldylinux@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:20:57 2009 From: baldylinux@gmail.com (Baldy) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:20:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9C0E9.4020904@gmail.com> Arron Lorenz wrote: > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made the plunge? Going to > wait for the plunge? > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy > Ferris > Nope I am too darn old to test new releases, besides Mepis is my disto of choice. -- http://www.baldysparadox.com http://thebarrel.net/blog ICQ #899207 Registered Linux User #266786 Skype Riverhack Open 24 hours a day for your browsing ease! From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:30:49 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:30:49 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9C339.60807@gmail.com> Arron Lorenz wrote: > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made the plunge? Going to > wait for the plunge? > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy > Ferris > LOL@ "plunge" being used so many times in sequence. ~Rhys From kruse.christopher@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:33:00 2009 From: kruse.christopher@gmail.com (kruse.christopher@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:33:00 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! Message-ID: <4ae9c410.1708c00a.7350.659b@mx.google.com> Heh... I've been using Kubuntu Karmic since alpha about a month back. With that said, it's worth checking out - the entire install process has been revamped for KDE4. Cheers, Christopher http://www.cornerofseven.com -----Original Message----- From: Arron Lorenz Subj: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 am Size: 326 bytes To: qclug@qclug.org http://www.ubuntu.com/ Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made the plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:38:14 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:38:14 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <4ae9c410.1708c00a.7350.659b@mx.google.com> References: <4ae9c410.1708c00a.7350.659b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4AE9C4F6.1080206@gmail.com> I'm really enjoying the yummy installation features for CentOS. It reminds me of what I liked so much about SuSe from my first distro, except that it handles RPMs and you aren't limited to what's on the disc. Perhaps it's pretty standard nowadays, but Linux sure is getting better in the usability area. I'm having so much fun playing with everything. I'm sure it won't be long before I am used to doing all manner of technical workarounds for those areas which might need a little tinkering, like rpmbuild-type stuff. I've already done a few custom builds and, although they've looked like amazingly complex build processes every time it's come off without a hitch. How very refreshing! ~Rhys kruse.christopher@gmail.com wrote: > Heh... I've been using Kubuntu Karmic since alpha about a month back. With that said, it's worth checking out - the entire install process has been revamped for KDE4. > > Cheers, > Christopher > http://www.cornerofseven.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arron Lorenz > Subj: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! > Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 am > Size: 326 bytes > To: qclug@qclug.org > > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made the > plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? > > From leif.theden@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:07:07 2009 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:07:07 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <4AE9C4F6.1080206@gmail.com> References: <4ae9c410.1708c00a.7350.659b@mx.google.com> <4AE9C4F6.1080206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a65bf850910291007v26374c0dwc559b14d799d60c3@mail.gmail.com> idk, it looks good, but i'm not slow internet here, so i've been using fedora, since it has support for delta-rpms, so i don't have to spend days waiting for update to download. On 10/30/09, Rhys Black wrote: > I'm really enjoying the yummy installation features for CentOS. It > reminds me of what I liked so much about SuSe from my first distro, > except that it handles RPMs and you aren't limited to what's on the > disc. Perhaps it's pretty standard nowadays, but Linux sure is getting > better in the usability area. > > I'm having so much fun playing with everything. I'm sure it won't be > long before I am used to doing all manner of technical workarounds for > those areas which might need a little tinkering, like rpmbuild-type > stuff. I've already done a few custom builds and, although they've > looked like amazingly complex build processes every time it's come off > without a hitch. How very refreshing! > > ~Rhys > > kruse.christopher@gmail.com wrote: >> Heh... I've been using Kubuntu Karmic since alpha about a month back. >> With that said, it's worth checking out - the entire install process has >> been revamped for KDE4. >> >> Cheers, >> Christopher >> http://www.cornerofseven.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Arron Lorenz >> Subj: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! >> Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 am >> Size: 326 bytes >> To: qclug@qclug.org >> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >> Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made >> the >> plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From jmkris@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:10:21 2009 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:10:21 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I tried to download the Netbook Remix and it Firefox said it would take 8 DAYS. So I guess I will wait a few days. But I'm more into the long term support versions anyway. Jim K On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made > the plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL > > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com > > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/a6ecf3c4/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:24:38 2009 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:24:38 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: References: <30cf66b30910290856g4ca4ae34ra441a5981c2b0f75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30910291024j2c206d52x45f5c13cd06de674@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I left the torrent coming down at home so it should be down by the time I get home. I'm going to give it a go here as my primary desktop is in need of a good updating. I'm excited for GRUB2, and ext4 included by default. I tired one of the alpha/beta releases, I don't recall which one it was, and it recognized my Nvidia card straight away, and it was a breeze to configure my dual monitors with the Nvidia config utility. I'll give a more detailed post once I finish tonights install, and run it through it's paces. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > I tried to download the Netbook Remix and it Firefox said it would take 8 > DAYS. > So I guess I will wait a few days. But I'm more into the long term support > versions anyway. > Jim K > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > >> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >> Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made >> the plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? >> >> -- >> From: >> Arron James Lorenz >> http://ArronLorenz.com >> (563) 4470-AJL >> >> Reel to Reel Drive-In >> DavenportDriveIn.com >> >> Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy >> Ferris >> >> > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/fffa97eb/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Oct 29 21:04:22 2009 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:04:22 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <9a65bf850910291007v26374c0dwc559b14d799d60c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ae9c410.1708c00a.7350.659b@mx.google.com> <4AE9C4F6.1080206@gmail.com> <9a65bf850910291007v26374c0dwc559b14d799d60c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEA0356.2070905@gmail.com> I see, I see. Is yum/yumex a new thing? And what are delta-rpms? RPMs that get updated dynamically? ~Rhys Leif Theden wrote: > idk, it looks good, but i'm not slow internet here, so i've been using > fedora, since it has support for delta-rpms, so i don't have to spend > days waiting for update to download. > > On 10/30/09, Rhys Black wrote: > >> I'm really enjoying the yummy installation features for CentOS. It >> reminds me of what I liked so much about SuSe from my first distro, >> except that it handles RPMs and you aren't limited to what's on the >> disc. Perhaps it's pretty standard nowadays, but Linux sure is getting >> better in the usability area. >> >> I'm having so much fun playing with everything. I'm sure it won't be >> long before I am used to doing all manner of technical workarounds for >> those areas which might need a little tinkering, like rpmbuild-type >> stuff. I've already done a few custom builds and, although they've >> looked like amazingly complex build processes every time it's come off >> without a hitch. How very refreshing! >> >> ~Rhys >> >> kruse.christopher@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Heh... I've been using Kubuntu Karmic since alpha about a month back. >>> With that said, it's worth checking out - the entire install process has >>> been revamped for KDE4. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Christopher >>> http://www.cornerofseven.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Arron Lorenz >>> Subj: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! >>> Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 am >>> Size: 326 bytes >>> To: qclug@qclug.org >>> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >>> Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made >>> the >>> plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From m.sweet83@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 02:48:42 2009 From: m.sweet83@gmail.com (Matthew Sweet) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:48:42 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! In-Reply-To: <4AEA0356.2070905@gmail.com> References: <4ae9c410.1708c00a.7350.659b@mx.google.com> <4AE9C4F6.1080206@gmail.com> <9a65bf850910291007v26374c0dwc559b14d799d60c3@mail.gmail.com> <4AEA0356.2070905@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment It's going to take a lot to get me away from Fedora. I'll still check it out though, just to say i've seen it. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rhys Black wrote: > I see, I see. Is yum/yumex a new thing? And what are delta-rpms? RPMs > that get updated dynamically? > > ~Rhys > > > Leif Theden wrote: > >> idk, it looks good, but i'm not slow internet here, so i've been using >> fedora, since it has support for delta-rpms, so i don't have to spend >> days waiting for update to download. >> >> On 10/30/09, Rhys Black wrote: >> >> >>> I'm really enjoying the yummy installation features for CentOS. It >>> reminds me of what I liked so much about SuSe from my first distro, >>> except that it handles RPMs and you aren't limited to what's on the >>> disc. Perhaps it's pretty standard nowadays, but Linux sure is getting >>> better in the usability area. >>> >>> I'm having so much fun playing with everything. I'm sure it won't be >>> long before I am used to doing all manner of technical workarounds for >>> those areas which might need a little tinkering, like rpmbuild-type >>> stuff. I've already done a few custom builds and, although they've >>> looked like amazingly complex build processes every time it's come off >>> without a hitch. How very refreshing! >>> >>> ~Rhys >>> >>> kruse.christopher@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Heh... I've been using Kubuntu Karmic since alpha about a month back. >>>> With that said, it's worth checking out - the entire install process has >>>> been revamped for KDE4. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Christopher >>>> http://www.cornerofseven.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: Arron Lorenz >>>> Subj: [QCLUG] Ubuntu 9.10 Out Today! >>>> Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:56 am >>>> Size: 326 bytes >>>> To: qclug@qclug.org >>>> >>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >>>> Is anyone making the plunge today? Already made >>>> the >>>> plunge? Going to wait for the plunge? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> QCLUG mailing list >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- Matt Sweet ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/e0528e14/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--