From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 1 22:48:23 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:48:23 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service Message-ID: <4B675A37.40600@sbcglobal.net> Here is the next batch of information: LiNode is a linux-based hosting group, but their plans start @ $20/month, so I didn't bother looking any further. AN Hosting Linux-based (wasn't able to find out what distro) Shared-server environment MegaPlan is their version of a basic plan 625 Gb storage 6.25Tb bandwidth 20 Domains SSH access Pretty much unlimited everything else, mailing lists not specified Cpanel interface, with demo! PHP5 Ruby on Rails Daily backup Fantastico library of auto-install applications 1yr @$62.52 ~$5.21/mo Phone, ticket-based email, and live-chat support. From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 1 22:56:49 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:56:49 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service Message-ID: <4B675C31.3020309@sbcglobal.net> A Small Orange Linux CentOS-based using Intel Xeon servers w/ 4Gb RAM, RAID 15k drives Medium plan seems to suit our needs best Can be billed at 1, 3, 6, and 12 month cycles $10/mo with no setup fees 12mo pre-pay gives 2 months free. 1yr@ $100 Dedicated IP is $2/mo 1Gb storage 25Gb bandwidth Unlimited everything else, including mailing lists! POP, IMAP, and Web-based email access SpamAssassin and ClamAV for email protection Daily backups Cpanel interface w/Fantastico app library (90 apps) CRON jobs IP-blocking Hotlink & Leech protection (non-organic kind) PHP, MySQL, and Ruby on Rails From arronlorenz@gmail.com Mon Feb 1 23:01:21 2010 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:01:21 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <4B675C31.3020309@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B675C31.3020309@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <30cf66b31002011501x2a6cd550v2c0b780ac55e1b18@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Are we still discussing where to host the LUG website? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:56 PM, agamotto wrote: > A Small Orange > > Linux CentOS-based using Intel Xeon servers w/ 4Gb RAM, RAID 15k drives > > Medium plan seems to suit our needs best > > Can be billed at 1, 3, 6, and 12 month cycles $10/mo with no setup fees > 12mo pre-pay gives 2 months free. 1yr@ $100 > Dedicated IP is $2/mo > > 1Gb storage > 25Gb bandwidth > Unlimited everything else, including mailing lists! > POP, IMAP, and Web-based email access > SpamAssassin and ClamAV for email protection > Daily backups > Cpanel interface w/Fantastico app library (90 apps) > CRON jobs > IP-blocking > Hotlink & Leech protection (non-organic kind) > PHP, MySQL, and Ruby on Rails > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/9ac80d4b/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:51:56 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:51:56 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <30cf66b31002011501x2a6cd550v2c0b780ac55e1b18@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B675C31.3020309@sbcglobal.net> <30cf66b31002011501x2a6cd550v2c0b780ac55e1b18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1002021151q50214905x153e6cd6000f8db2@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > Are we still discussing where to host the LUG website? > > > We have a list of possibles which Randy is investigating. He posts his results as he gets them. From those results the LUG will choose one (at a future meeting). That's the "discussion" so far. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/674dbd69/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From crossguy@hotmail.com Wed Feb 3 21:45:26 2010 From: crossguy@hotmail.com (Ben Ziegler) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:45:26 +0000 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 In-Reply-To: <4B58304A.8040405@gmail.com> References: ,<4B58304A.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Rhys -=20 Friendly reminder about 2600 this friday=2C Feb 5. I'd really like to see = you there=2C and hear about your home network setup and your company. Ben Ziegler > Date: Thu=2C 21 Jan 2010 04:45:30 -0600 > From: pdameasap@gmail.com > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] February 2600 >=20 > I sure would like to attend this. It's just a matter of clearing the=20 > time and remembering it. It's literally like half a block away from me. >=20 > ~Rhys >=20 > Ben Ziegler wrote: > > Some of you seemed interested in this at the Bettendorf Library=2C so=20 > > I'm spamming the list again. > > > > QC 2600 will meet February 5=2C 2010 from 5 to 8pm @ Cool Beanz Coffee= =20 > > House. > > Come out as you can=2C meet technology enthusiasts for open discussion.= =20 > > Bring your projects=2C laptops=2C toys=2C and what-have-you. Free wifi= =2C plus=20 > > we'll have our own LAN setup for demos. > > > > Potential topics: > > 3D printers=2C SSL=2C GSM=2C rainbow tables=2C Ham radio=2C > > High voltage=2C tesla coils=2C > > setting up a programming environment=2C > > building your own home gateway/firewall/NAS=2C etc > > hackerspaces=2C and why you should want one > > I'll have a metasploit setup to test > > whatever you show up wanting to talk about! > > > > Map: http://bit.ly/5rtong > > > > Ben Ziegler > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.=20 > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/= ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/896614c8/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Wed Feb 3 23:19:23 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:19:23 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 In-Reply-To: References: ,<4B58304A.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6A047B.4070701@gmail.com> I'll try to make it :-D ~Rhys Ben Ziegler wrote: > Rhys - > > Friendly reminder about 2600 this friday, Feb 5. I'd really like to > see you there, and hear about your home network setup and your company. > > Ben Ziegler > > > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:45:30 -0600 > > From: pdameasap@gmail.com > > To: qclug@qclug.org > > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] February 2600 > > > > I sure would like to attend this. It's just a matter of clearing the > > time and remembering it. It's literally like half a block away from me. > > > > ~Rhys > > > > Ben Ziegler wrote: > > > Some of you seemed interested in this at the Bettendorf Library, so > > > I'm spamming the list again. > > > > > > QC 2600 will meet February 5, 2010 from 5 to 8pm @ Cool Beanz Coffee > > > House. > > > Come out as you can, meet technology enthusiasts for open discussion. > > > Bring your projects, laptops, toys, and what-have-you. Free wifi, > plus > > > we'll have our own LAN setup for demos. > > > > > > Potential topics: > > > 3D printers, SSL, GSM, rainbow tables, Ham radio, > > > High voltage, tesla coils, > > > setting up a programming environment, > > > building your own home gateway/firewall/NAS, etc > > > hackerspaces, and why you should want one > > > I'll have a metasploit setup to test > > > whatever you show up wanting to talk about! > > > > > > Map: http://bit.ly/5rtong > > > > > > Ben Ziegler > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign > up now. From combustioninc@yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 23:05:54 2010 From: combustioninc@yahoo.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:05:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 Message-ID: <612234.13214.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hey Where is the Cool Beanz Coffee House for the Friday night 2600 meeting ? Is it at 1325 30th Street in Rock Island ? Please let me know because I'm thinking of going... Bob From QCAdmin@gmail.com Fri Feb 5 14:45:50 2010 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:45:50 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 In-Reply-To: <612234.13214.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <612234.13214.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=cool+beanz+near+61201&sll=41.599947,-90.80857&sspn=0.784584,1.783905&ie=UTF8&hq=cool+beanz&hnear=Rock+Island,+IL+61201&ll=41.497798,-90.557309&spn=0.006171,0.013937&z=17 Google maps is a little off on the location, it's actually on the corner of 30th St and 14th Ave. Google Street View: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.497609,-90.557315&spn=0,359.993032&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.497696,-90.557311&panoid=mtjj-r4Bz8R6nt4CouLgzA&cbp=12,58.96,,0,3.55 On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Bob wrote: > Hey > > Where is the Cool Beanz Coffee House for the Friday night 2600 meeting ? Is it at 1325 30th Street in > Rock Island ? Please let me know because I'm thinking of going... > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 8 19:55:22 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:55:22 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service Message-ID: <4B706C2A.90705@sbcglobal.net> Ok, here are the final two candidates: Brinkster Webhosting.... good prices, but they do not support mailing lists, so they are out..phpbbbhht IX Webhosting Linux-based (Red Hat) in Ohio Virtual servers, so no Root access for server admin The Unlimited Pro plan seems to offer everything that we need @ $7.95/mo. There is another plan that is cheaper, but it does not support mail lists. Unlimited domains Unlimited storage 3 Free domains 15 IP addresses Unlimited transfer Unlimited sub-domains DB support (not sure what this means) Access to site/s w/o www. Demos of the site-builder and control panel. I played around with both, and I didn't get lost, so things should be fairly simple to administer. 24/7 support through live chat, phone, email ticket. The live chat feature is how I found out about the Unlimited Pro plan supporting mailing lists, so I can vouch that it works! Site/s backups 2500 email accounts Catch-all email addresses POP3 and IMAP access, with Webmail Unlimited MySQL DBs Unlimited PostgreSQL DBs 10Gb storage quota on all DBs If you can name it, they seem to support it. I will give a partial list: Webstats Ruby on Rails PHP v5 Perl CGI & CGI-BIN Flash & Shockwave MIDI Streaming a/v, including REAL a/v FTP & anon FTP Web-based file manager Publishing program Password protection Online page/email editor Custom MIME types and CRONs Throttle policy for abuse prevention From dbergert@gmail.com Mon Feb 8 20:00:34 2010 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:00:34 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <4B706C2A.90705@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B706C2A.90705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <44262bfc1002081200k1a4b8bcbh48476b3d7ad052c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:55 PM, agamotto wrote: > Ok, here are the final two candidates: > > Brinkster Webhosting.... good prices, but they do not support mailing > lists, so they are out..phpbbbhht > Google Groups is the way to go IMHO From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 8 20:04:13 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:04:13 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service Message-ID: <4B706E3D.5090003@sbcglobal.net> I now open the floor to those who have experience owning/running websites to give preferences of the webhosting services, expressing preferences, experiences, and additional ideas or questions that I may not have thought of. I will start off the discussion with the fact that I have heard several good things about GoDaddy, but in cruising their site, I find the options bewildering. If we were to choose them, I know I will need the help of someone who does websites frequently to help in figuring out many of the features/functions involved with adding/changing content and normal maintenance. Grab a knish, a drink of your choice, and discuss! Randy From arronlorenz@gmail.com Mon Feb 8 20:13:47 2010 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:13:47 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <4B706E3D.5090003@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B706E3D.5090003@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <30cf66b31002081213j78520398l7dbf6c7e99c94841@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I do not support using GoDaddy. I can qualify more if needed but for now the hosting is poor at best, and the interface just sucks. After that go with which ever has the lowest price tag. We're talking about hosting a dozen e-mails a week, and a small front page. Anything more than bare bones will be overkill and end up costing more than necessary. Arron On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:04 PM, agamotto wrote: > > I now open the floor to those who have experience owning/running > websites > to give preferences of the webhosting services, expressing preferences, > experiences, and additional ideas or questions that I may not have thought > of. > > I will start off the discussion with the fact that I have heard > several > good things about GoDaddy, but in cruising their site, I find the options > bewildering. If we were to choose them, I know I will need the help of > someone who does websites frequently to help in figuring out many of the > features/functions involved with adding/changing content and normal > maintenance. > > > Grab a knish, a drink of your choice, and discuss! > > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we were to choose them, I know I will need the help of > someone who does websites frequently to help in figuring out many of the > features/functions involved with adding/changing content and normal > maintenance. > > > Grab a knish, a drink of your choice, and discuss! > > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > Myself I have used IX and like you said all bases are covered based on Linux and the up time is great. Not to mention they have a great help area available for the users and the live chat comes in handy many more times that you can imagine, trust me. But that is just my old senile opinion. From QCAdmin@gmail.com Mon Feb 8 22:19:44 2010 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:19:44 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Great Linux tutorial site Message-ID: A friend just sent me a link to a great Linux tutorial site. It has walkthroughs and how-to's for everything from basic installation to managing logins with LDAP and Radius. I haven't had time to dig in too deeply, but I figured I would post it here so people could have a look before tomorrow's meeting. http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/ Cooper From ljgonzalezjr@gmail.com Tue Feb 9 18:02:48 2010 From: ljgonzalezjr@gmail.com (Luis Gonzalez) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:02:48 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Great Linux tutorial site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9cc5468b1002091002j6f10b9fegeaebdf657001be26@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Chris, Looks like a great site, and something that a Noob like me needs to get pointed in the right direction and start learning On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: > A friend just sent me a link to a great Linux tutorial site. It has > walkthroughs and how-to's for everything from basic installation to > managing logins with LDAP and Radius. > > I haven't had time to dig in too deeply, but I figured I would post it > here so people could have a look before tomorrow's meeting. > > http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/ > > > > Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- Luis J Gonzalez Jr. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/69fdf764/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Tue Feb 9 21:44:50 2010 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:44:50 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting tonight? Message-ID: Just making sure we are still on for the meeting tonight at CIPA Filter? Maps link: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3D700+1= 6th+Ave.+East+Moline,+IL+61244&sll=3D37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=3D33.764224,56= .513672&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D&hnear=3D700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Rock+Island,+Ill= inois+61244&ll=3D41.514474,-90.444152&spn=3D0.003896,0.006899&z=3D17 Street View: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3D700+1= 6th+Ave.+East+Moline,+IL+61244&sll=3D37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=3D33.764224,56= .513672&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D&hnear=3D700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Rock+Island,+Ill= inois+61244&ll=3D41.514924,-90.444388&spn=3D0.003928,0.006899&z=3D17&layer= =3Dc&cbll=3D41.514936,-90.444257&panoid=3DkRnS1NxOOyWEBiNHkBhI5Q&cbp=3D12,2= 14.5,,0,12 From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 9 22:07:32 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:07:32 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February meeting Message-ID: <4B71DCA4.6090709@sbcglobal.net> I won't be making it to tonight's meeting. I slipped while shovelling today, and my back is not happy! Catch you at the next one. Randy From baldylinux@gmail.com Tue Feb 9 22:16:22 2010 From: baldylinux@gmail.com (Baldy) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:16:22 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting tonight? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B71DEB6.2090107@gmail.com> Chris Cooper wrote: > Just making sure we are still on for the meeting tonight at CIPA Filter? > > > Maps link: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=700+16th+Ave.+East+Moline,+IL+61244&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.764224,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Rock+Island,+Illinois+61244&ll=41.514474,-90.444152&spn=0.003896,0.006899&z=17 > > Street View: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=700+16th+Ave.+East+Moline,+IL+61244&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.764224,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Rock+Island,+Illinois+61244&ll=41.514924,-90.444388&spn=0.003928,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.514936,-90.444257&panoid=kRnS1NxOOyWEBiNHkBhI5Q&cbp=12,214.5,,0,12 > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > Since all the area police are recommending against travel tonight I would bet no From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 9 22:38:28 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:38:28 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 Message-ID: <4B71E3E4.6000706@sbcglobal.net> For those who are confused about where Cool Beanz is located, it is up 14th Ave. from the Augustana/Pepsi gym, right across from Tim's Corner Comics, which is right on the corner of 14th Ave. and 30th St. Italian Village Restaurant (closed) and Happy Joe's Pizza also share this intersection. From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Feb 9 22:48:33 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:48:33 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDD007B3@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I'll be here at CIPAFilter, looking forward to seeing you all tonight. Here's a link to a picture of our building in google maps, just zoom out to= see the location on the map. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3D700+1= 6th+Avenue,+East+Moline&sll=3D42.249922,-89.086887&sspn=3D0.006909,0.016319= &g=3D700+16th+Avenue&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D&hnear=3D700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Roc= k+Island,+Illinois+61244&ll=3D41.514936,-90.44427&spn=3D0.001747,0.00408&t= =3Dh&z=3D19&layer=3Dc&cbll=3D41.514926,-90.444397&panoid=3DZ6trfhbgz7X73kkL= s6zS_Q&cbp=3D12,203.05,,0,-4.23 David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's a link to a picture of our building in google maps, just zoom out to= see the location on the map. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Den&geocode=3D&q=3D700+1= 6th+Avenue,+East+Moline&sll=3D42.249922,-89.086887&sspn=3D0.006909,0.016319= &g=3D700+16th+Avenue&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D&hnear=3D700+16th+Ave,+East+Moline,+Roc= k+Island,+Illinois+61244&ll=3D41.514936,-90.44427&spn=3D0.001747,0.00408&t= =3Dh&z=3D19&layer=3Dc&cbll=3D41.514926,-90.444397&panoid=3DZ6trfhbgz7X73kkL= s6zS_Q&cbp=3D12,203.05,,0,-4.23 David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4B71DEB6.2090107@gmail.com> References: ,<4B71DEB6.2090107@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment > Date: Tue=2C 9 Feb 2010 16:16:22 -0600 > From: baldylinux@gmail.com > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Meeting tonight? >=20 > Chris Cooper wrote: > > Just making sure we are still on for the meeting tonight at CIPA Filter= ? > > > > Since all the area police are recommending against travel tonight I wou= ld bet no >=20 I'm willing to show up=2C as I've got to drive through the area anyway. Wh= at's the thoughts from our host? Ben Ziegler =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/= ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Ben Ziegler Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:49 PM To: QC LUG Subject: RE: [QCLUG] Meeting tonight? > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:16:22 -0600 > From: baldylinux@gmail.com > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Meeting tonight? > > Chris Cooper wrote: > > Just making sure we are still on for the meeting tonight at CIPA Filter= ? > > > > Since all the area police are recommending against travel tonight I wou= ld bet no > I'm willing to show up, as I've got to drive through the area anyway. What= 's the thoughts from our host? Ben Ziegler ________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/b04a84bf/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Fri Feb 12 18:30:11 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:30:11 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] The Coding Ethics of Copy and Paste Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDD00A5C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Ok, so here's the discussion: You need to write some code that does some simple something you've never do= ne before. (For the sake of example: Sending an email with an attachment= from PHP). So you google it, find a helpful blog with an article about ho= w to send an email with an attachment. The short article includes some exp= lanation about how this works and includes a short, 10 or so line example. There is no explicit license or release on the website because it's just so= meone's blog. Do you feel comfortable copy/pasting his example code and editing it to do = your bidding? Or do you feel that it's a no no? Legally speaking, the issue isn't clear. Code has to be expressive to be = copyrighted. For example, there is precedent that you can't copyright a h= eader file that only defines well known constants. On the other hand, any = expressive work automatically gains copyright as soon as it's written and t= he only way to find out otherwise is to litigate over it, but in theory a c= ompletely functional piece of code with no 'art' so to speak isn't copyrigh= table. Then of course there is the implied consent issue in regards to th= e article on the blog itself. Of course, some guy with a blog you've never probably isn't going to be sui= ng you for copyright infringement for copying his 10 line snippet. And the= government is not likely to correct the grey area mess that is copyright l= aw anytime soon. In academia, in regards to the written word which copyright was originally = designed to protect , the copy paste of a single sentence is often consider= ed plagiarism if it goes undocumented. But what about in programming? Wh= ere "a =3D a+1" and "b=3Db+1" are equivalent, and only the variable names h= ave been changed to protect the guilty? But we're not lawyers, and we're not academics. So let's not discuss the = legal implications. Let's discuss how you feel about it. Do you feel i= t's kosher? Do you feel it's wrong? If the guy sitting next to you did th= is would you feel 'business as usual' or would it be something you go to th= e boss over? I want to know more about the community standards on this iss= ue. David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/63685aa6/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From baldylinux@gmail.com Fri Feb 12 18:42:57 2010 From: baldylinux@gmail.com (Baldy) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:42:57 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] The Coding Ethics of Copy and Paste In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDD00A5C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDD00A5C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4B75A131.80200@gmail.com> David Hinkle wrote: > > Ok, so here’s the discussion: > > You need to write some code that does some simple something you’ve > never done before. (For the sake of example: Sending an email with an > attachment from PHP). So you google it, find a helpful blog with an > article about how to send an email with an attachment. The short > article includes some explanation about how this works and includes a > short, 10 or so line example. > > There is no explicit license or release on the website because it’s > just someone’s blog. > > Do you feel comfortable copy/pasting his example code and editing it > to do your bidding? Or do you feel that it’s a no no? > > Legally speaking, the issue isn’t clear. Code has to be expressive to > be copyrighted. For example, there is precedent that you can’t > copyright a header file that only defines well known constants. On the > other hand, any expressive work automatically gains copyright as soon > as it’s written and the only way to find out otherwise is to litigate > over it, but in theory a completely functional piece of code with no > ‘art’ so to speak isn’t copyrightable. Then of course there is the > implied consent issue in regards to the article on the blog itself. > > Of course, some guy with a blog you’ve never probably isn’t going to > be suing you for copyright infringement for copying his 10 line > snippet. And the government is not likely to correct the grey area > mess that is copyright law anytime soon. > > In academia, in regards to the written word which copyright was > originally designed to protect , the copy paste of a single sentence > is often considered plagiarism if it goes undocumented. But what about > in programming? Where “a = a+1” and “b=b+1” are equivalent, and only > the variable names have been changed to protect the guilty? > > But we’re not lawyers, and we’re not academics. So let’s not discuss > the legal implications. Let’s discuss how you feel about it. Do you > feel it’s kosher? Do you feel it’s wrong? If the guy sitting next to > you did this would you feel ‘business as usual’ or would it be > something you go to the boss over? I want to know more about the > community standards on this issue. > > > David > It has been going on for more years than you can count. If in the event it is artwork or a total article then you have to at bare minimum by including a link back to the supplying site. In the case of the example you used is probably in the web some place I know of 10 or more sites that have code snippets to download. The lists of sites that have either code or snippets of code is huge. From t.shearouse@gmail.com Fri Feb 12 18:44:05 2010 From: t.shearouse@gmail.com (Tim Shearouse) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:44:05 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] The Coding Ethics of Copy and Paste In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDD00A5C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDD00A5C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment It depends on the extent of the code I'm taking. If it's just a few lines, I will probably copy and paste (and then change the formatting and variable names to match my coding style). Whether this i= s legal without an explicit license or waiver I have no idea, but I think it is intuitively clear that someone writing a how-to article and posting it online for anyone to view intends for the general public to use the code he posted as part of the how-to. If it's a well developed program, or a large subroutine, I have a number of issues with copy/pasting it: - Someone put significant time and effort into it, and if it's not clear whether they meant for it to be public I'm going to assume they did not = mean it to be reproduced. - I don't know the talent level of the person who wrote the code. A few lines I can analyze pretty well, but by the time I've looked through a l= arge set of functions to be sure everything seems to be coded properly and th= ere are no variable name conflicts, I might as well have written it myself. - Even if the author of the code is a highly skilled programmer, there i= s no guarantee that their code will not have naming conflicts with the res= t of your code. There may also be assumptions written into the code that you = are not prepared to handle, or it may lack assumptions that you want to asse= rt. - If you need to edit the code you just pasted in, you first need a strong understanding of how the pieces fit together, what functions call which other functions, etc. This goes back to the "I might as well write= it myself" line, except here it is to save time in the long run instead of = the short run. Customizing an open source application for a client is another issue altogether, so I won't get into that. You can see most of my concerns are over the practicality of using other people's code more than the ethics of it. *Shrug* I guess I'm just too ingrained with a "if you want it done right, do it yourself" attitude. -Tim On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM, David Hinkle wrote= : > Ok, so here=92s the discussion: > > > > You need to write some code that does some simple something you=92ve neve= r > done before. (For the sake of example: Sending an email with an > attachment from PHP). So you google it, find a helpful blog with an arti= cle > about how to send an email with an attachment. The short article include= s > some explanation about how this works and includes a short, 10 or so line > example. > > > > There is no explicit license or release on the website because it=92s jus= t > someone=92s blog. > > > > Do you feel comfortable copy/pasting his example code and editing it to d= o > your bidding? Or do you feel that it=92s a no no? > > > > Legally speaking, the issue isn=92t clear. Code has to be expressive to= be > copyrighted. For example, there is precedent that you can=92t copyright= a > header file that only defines well known constants. On the other hand, a= ny > expressive work automatically gains copyright as soon as it=92s written a= nd > the only way to find out otherwise is to litigate over it, but in theory = a > completely functional piece of code with no =91art=92 so to speak isn=92t > copyrightable. Then of course there is the implied consent issue in > regards to the article on the blog itself. > > > > Of course, some guy with a blog you=92ve never probably isn=92t going to = be > suing you for copyright infringement for copying his 10 line snippet. An= d > the government is not likely to correct the grey area mess that is copyri= ght > law anytime soon. > > > > In academia, in regards to the written word which copyright was originall= y > designed to protect , the copy paste of a single sentence is often > considered plagiarism if it goes undocumented. But what about in > programming? Where =93a =3D a+1=94 and =93b=3Db+1=94 are equivalent, and= only the > variable names have been changed to protect the guilty? > > > > But we=92re not lawyers, and we=92re not academics. So let=92s not disc= uss the > legal implications. Let=92s discuss how you feel about it. Do you fe= el > it=92s kosher? Do you feel it=92s wrong? If the guy sitting next to you= did > this would you feel =91business as usual=92 or would it be something you = go to > the boss over? I want to know more about the community standards on this > issue. > > > David > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1466b751/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Wed Feb 17 14:52:19 2010 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:52:19 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Site info In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b1002150708t8e70448x35ffb774efc62255@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b1002150708t8e70448x35ffb774efc62255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For WOW specifically, I would look into getting a Battle.net Authenticator. It's a one-time passkey generator very similar to the ones used by etrade, paypal, and various other financial sites. You type in your username and password, followed by a one-time code generated by the device. The code generated is only good for 30 seconds. Without the code, you can't log in without answering a bunch of security questions and jumping through additional hoops. The point of the device is to make it significantly more difficult for someone to log in to your account even if they have your username and password. Info on setting them up is available here: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=26552&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=3533 --Cooper On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > Debian Lenny. > > I'd like to know how to find info on some web sites i use. I know there are > console commands to do this kind of thing but don't know what category to > look in. Same for the repositories (tool and apps kind of thing). > > Immediate reason for doing this is that I have to break down and consider > getting on the WOW forums. Blizzard claims their official sites are safe. > Uh-huh. Login is by my game account name and password. A lot of accounts get > hacked, I don't want to be one of them. So, I want to know just how "safe" > they are. > > Thanks, > Jim > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Feb 17 15:11:05 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:11:05 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Site info In-Reply-To: References: <997c8c1b1002150708t8e70448x35ffb774efc62255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDE10212@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> The authenticator is really cheap too. They also make one for the iphone = which I think is free. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Chris Cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:52 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Site info For WOW specifically, I would look into getting a Battle.net Authenticator. It's a one-time passkey generator very similar to the ones used by etrade, paypal, and various other financial sites. You type in your username and password, followed by a one-time code generated by the device. The code generated is only good for 30 seconds. Without the code, you can't log in without answering a bunch of security questions and jumping through additional hoops. The point of the device is to make it significantly more difficult for someone to log in to your account even if they have your username and password. Info on setting them up is available here: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=3Den_US&articleId=3D26552= &parentCategoryId&pageNumber=3D1&categoryId=3D3533 --Cooper On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jim Hall wrote: > Debian Lenny. > > I'd like to know how to find info on some web sites i use. I know there a= re > console commands to do this kind of thing but don't know what category to > look in. Same for the repositories (tool and apps kind of thing). > > Immediate reason for doing this is that I have to break down and consider > getting on the WOW forums. Blizzard claims their official sites are safe. > Uh-huh. Login is by my game account name and password. A lot of accounts = get > hacked, I don't want to be one of them. So, I want to know just how "safe= " > they are. > > Thanks, > Jim > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:22:32 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:22:32 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Site info In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDE10212@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <997c8c1b1002150708t8e70448x35ffb774efc62255@mail.gmail.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDE10212@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1002170922y42203f3di1df8f397b920a77b@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I thank you both for your responses. I know about the device and am considering getting one. Howsomeever, my original question still remains. :) Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/c74581f9/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 25 01:18:48 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:18:48 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website Message-ID: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> Well, it has been a bit since I posted our options, without much comment, save from Arron, Dave, and Baldy. I figure that after the visits and help requests, here are my choices: 1. Hostmonster - I was truly impressed that they have tutorials and videos covering every subject of website management/maintenance I could think of. I can confortably say that this website neophyte could comfortably create and manage a site with this company. Runs $107.40/yr or $8.95/mo 2. AN Hosting - Mega Plan is one of the cheapest by far @ $64/yr. There are storage limits and transfer limits, but I can't see us storing 625Gb or using 6.25Tb of transfers in one year. It does not have the hand-holding features that Hostmoster has, but if we have enough people who are proficient at websites, we wouldn't need it. 3. IX Webhosting - has all the features I can shake a brain at. Baldy vouches for them, so that gives me great comfort, as he has been doing this stuff for quite some time now. It had some demos, but I didn't have time to go through many of them. Runs $95.40/yr or $7.95/mo These are what I have narrowed things down to, once again I open the floor for discussion. Please bear in mind that it would be a good idea to have our minds made up by the end of May at the latest, that way we can migrate the site, and have time to be comfortable with our choice before our August deadline. Randy From dbergert@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 01:59:30 2010 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:59:30 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website In-Reply-To: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> I run a few sites on hostmonster.com : www.paymentsystemsblog.com and actually sub-host the QCMUG wordpress site www.qcmug.org on my account. I've had zero problems over the last few years and recommend them. I used to have an AN Hosting Account - but eventually switched to hostmonster.com -- I remember issues of uptime and server crashes - but if you do decide to go that route - they have stated that they have changed a few things : let me share an email I recently received that we might be able to use: ----- BEGIN EMAIL ------- Dear Dave, You previously had an account with us for dbergert.com We were sad to see you go and therefore are offering are offering 6 months free hosting! I also want you to know that we have had basically no downtime in the last few years, replaced several staff members, improved our network speed, use only the highest quality hardware, and are now doing offsite backups! After the 6 months you can continue at just $4.95/mo and that price never goes up. To get started enter your domain (old or new) here: https://www.advancednetworkhosts.com/order/previous.php If you have any months left on your contact with your current host enter that on the form and we will give you credit for those, in addition to the 6 months. And we will even transfer your site back over to us for you. Thank you for your previous business, and we look forward to hosting you ag= ain. From, Terry Newbury Advanced Network Hosts To opt out reply back. ------END EMAIL ------- I'd probably recommend that we migrate to use a google groups site for the lug - and have some type of CMS system for the site itself so multiple folks could update and maintain the site. Regards, DB On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM, agamotto wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Well, it has been a bit since I posted our options, withou= t much comment, > save from Arron, Dave, and Baldy. =A0I figure that after the visits and h= elp > requests, here are my choices: > > > 1. =A0 =A0 =A0Hostmonster - I was truly impressed that they have tutorial= s and videos > covering every subject of website management/maintenance I could think of= . > =A0I can confortably say that this website neophyte could comfortably cre= ate > and manage a site with this company. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Runs $107.40/yr or $8.95/mo > > 2. =A0 =A0 =A0AN Hosting - Mega Plan is one of the cheapest by far @ $64/= yr. =A0There > are storage limits and transfer limits, but I can't see us storing 625Gb = or > using 6.25Tb of transfers in one year. =A0It does not have the hand-holdi= ng > features that Hostmoster has, but if we have enough people who are > proficient at websites, we wouldn't need it. > > > 3. =A0 =A0 =A0IX Webhosting - has all the features I can shake a brain at= . =A0Baldy > vouches for them, so that gives me great comfort, as he has been doing th= is > stuff for quite some time now. It had some demos, but I didn't have time = to > go through many of them. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Runs $95.40/yr or $7.95/mo > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0These are what I have narrowed things down to, once again = I open the floor > for discussion. =A0Please bear in mind that it would be a good idea to ha= ve > our minds made up by the end of May at the latest, that way we can migrat= e > the site, and have time to be comfortable with our choice before our Augu= st > deadline. > > Randy > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From belthesar@belthesar.com Thu Feb 25 22:48:24 2010 From: belthesar@belthesar.com (Cody Wilson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:48:24 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website In-Reply-To: <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B86FE38.8040902@belthesar.com> I might be opening a big can of worms here, but I'm just curious... Why is the LUG wanting to move off of the hosting generously provided by Roadkill? I've been watching discussion about it fly by for 3 months now, and none of it illustrates why. Now, I don't attend meetings, so if this came up there, it would make sense as to why I know nothing about it. I just wonder why we would look to pay for something when we're getting great service with minor interruptions provided on hardware and an OS that only proves to be a testament of the roots of the LUG. On 2/24/2010 7:59 PM, Dave Bergert wrote: > I run a few sites on hostmonster.com : > > www.paymentsystemsblog.com and actually sub-host the QCMUG wordpress > site www.qcmug.org on my account. > > I've had zero problems over the last few years and recommend them. > > > > I used to have an AN Hosting Account - but eventually switched to > hostmonster.com -- I remember issues of uptime and server crashes - > but if you do decide to go that route - they have stated that they > have changed a few things : let me share an email I recently received > that we might be able to use: > > ----- BEGIN EMAIL ------- > > Dear Dave, > > You previously had an account with us for dbergert.com > > We were sad to see you go and therefore are offering are offering 6 > months free hosting! > > I also want you to know that we have had basically no downtime in the > last few years, replaced several staff members, improved our network > speed, use only the highest quality hardware, and are now doing > offsite backups! > > After the 6 months you can continue at just $4.95/mo and that price > never goes up. > > To get started enter your domain (old or new) here: > https://www.advancednetworkhosts.com/order/previous.php > > If you have any months left on your contact with your current host > enter that on the form and we will give you credit for those, in > addition to the 6 months. > > And we will even transfer your site back over to us for you. > > Thank you for your previous business, and we look forward to hosting you again. > > From, > Terry Newbury > Advanced Network Hosts > > To opt out reply back. > > ------END EMAIL ------- > > I'd probably recommend that we migrate to use a google groups site for > the lug - and have some type of CMS system for the site itself so > multiple folks could update and maintain the site. > > > Regards, > DB > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM, agamotto wrote: > >> Well, it has been a bit since I posted our options, without much comment, >> save from Arron, Dave, and Baldy. I figure that after the visits and help >> requests, here are my choices: >> >> >> 1. Hostmonster - I was truly impressed that they have tutorials and videos >> covering every subject of website management/maintenance I could think of. >> I can confortably say that this website neophyte could comfortably create >> and manage a site with this company. >> >> Runs $107.40/yr or $8.95/mo >> >> 2. AN Hosting - Mega Plan is one of the cheapest by far @ $64/yr. There >> are storage limits and transfer limits, but I can't see us storing 625Gb or >> using 6.25Tb of transfers in one year. It does not have the hand-holding >> features that Hostmoster has, but if we have enough people who are >> proficient at websites, we wouldn't need it. >> >> >> 3. IX Webhosting - has all the features I can shake a brain at. Baldy >> vouches for them, so that gives me great comfort, as he has been doing this >> stuff for quite some time now. It had some demos, but I didn't have time to >> go through many of them. >> >> Runs $95.40/yr or $7.95/mo >> >> >> These are what I have narrowed things down to, once again I open the floor >> for discussion. Please bear in mind that it would be a good idea to have >> our minds made up by the end of May at the latest, that way we can migrate >> the site, and have time to be comfortable with our choice before our August >> deadline. >> >> Randy >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From fatpuppystew@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 23:42:05 2010 From: fatpuppystew@gmail.com (Mike Robinson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:42:05 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website In-Reply-To: <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1267141325.1974.22.camel@mike-desktop> I second Hostmonster - have had zero problems over last two years...Tech support was outstanding as well when I needed app modification for Zen photo. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Bergert Reply-to: qclug@qclug.org To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:59:30 -0600 I run a few sites on hostmonster.com : www.paymentsystemsblog.com and actually sub-host the QCMUG wordpress site www.qcmug.org on my account. I've had zero problems over the last few years and recommend them. I used to have an AN Hosting Account - but eventually switched to hostmonster.com -- I remember issues of uptime and server crashes - but if you do decide to go that route - they have stated that they have changed a few things : let me share an email I recently received that we might be able to use: ----- BEGIN EMAIL ------- Dear Dave, You previously had an account with us for dbergert.com We were sad to see you go and therefore are offering are offering 6 months free hosting! I also want you to know that we have had basically no downtime in the last few years, replaced several staff members, improved our network speed, use only the highest quality hardware, and are now doing offsite backups! After the 6 months you can continue at just $4.95/mo and that price never goes up. To get started enter your domain (old or new) here: https://www.advancednetworkhosts.com/order/previous.php If you have any months left on your contact with your current host enter that on the form and we will give you credit for those, in addition to the 6 months. And we will even transfer your site back over to us for you. Thank you for your previous business, and we look forward to hosting you again. From, Terry Newbury Advanced Network Hosts To opt out reply back. ------END EMAIL ------- I'd probably recommend that we migrate to use a google groups site for the lug - and have some type of CMS system for the site itself so multiple folks could update and maintain the site. Regards, DB On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:18 PM, agamotto wrote: > Well, it has been a bit since I posted our options, without much comment, > save from Arron, Dave, and Baldy. I figure that after the visits and help > requests, here are my choices: > > > 1. Hostmonster - I was truly impressed that they have tutorials and videos > covering every subject of website management/maintenance I could think of. > I can confortably say that this website neophyte could comfortably create > and manage a site with this company. > > Runs $107.40/yr or $8.95/mo > > 2. AN Hosting - Mega Plan is one of the cheapest by far @ $64/yr. There > are storage limits and transfer limits, but I can't see us storing 625Gb or > using 6.25Tb of transfers in one year. It does not have the hand-holding > features that Hostmoster has, but if we have enough people who are > proficient at websites, we wouldn't need it. > > > 3. IX Webhosting - has all the features I can shake a brain at. Baldy > vouches for them, so that gives me great comfort, as he has been doing this > stuff for quite some time now. It had some demos, but I didn't have time to > go through many of them. > > Runs $95.40/yr or $7.95/mo > > > These are what I have narrowed things down to, once again I open the floor > for discussion. Please bear in mind that it would be a good idea to have > our minds made up by the end of May at the latest, that way we can migrate > the site, and have time to be comfortable with our choice before our August > deadline. > > Randy > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From jmb8000@earthlink.net Sat Feb 27 07:10:28 2010 From: jmb8000@earthlink.net (John Bubon) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:10:28 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting In-Reply-To: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B88C564.4050809@earthlink.net> Are there still plans for a presentation on C and C++ at the march meeting? John Bob wrote: > All > > C and C++ are now vastly distinct languages. I've offered to give a 90 minute primer class in C++ at > the March meeting and based on the interest in the group, I gather I should start preparing. I'm > not going to get into the differences between C and C++ via e-mail. Save those kind of questions > for the March meeting (although I'm not going to expect anyone to know C or any other programming > language for the primer class). > > No, we won't get into UI programming in a primer class--nor should we. > > By the way KDE was written in C++ but Unix and Linux are written in C. > > See you all at the March Meeting--install g++ and the glibc libraries on your laptop > and bring it if you can. If you can't bring a flash drive and the code we "write" can be > copied to your flash drive perhaps by someone with a laptop. > > I will put work into this so please be prepared to learn. By the way, the hottest language for > UI programming today is probably JAVA but it doesn't have the speed of C++. > > My goal is to get people to "think in C++" (meaning classes and objects) and to approach > organizing and processing their data by having C++ as a tool in their toolbox which they > can employ when they need to. Remember, this is only a 90 minute primer. Let's see how > this goes before we think about follow-ons... > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sat Feb 27 20:59:48 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:59:48 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website In-Reply-To: <4B86FE38.8040902@belthesar.com> References: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> <4B86FE38.8040902@belthesar.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1002271259l71a5327dp1a6c0ddd1188427b@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Cody Wilson wrote: > I might be opening a big can of worms here, but I'm just curious... Why is > the LUG wanting to move off of the hosting generously provided by Roadkill? > I've been watching discussion about it fly by for 3 months now, and none of > it illustrates why. Now, I don't attend meetings, so if this came up there, > it would make sense as to why I know nothing about it. > > I just wonder why we would look to pay for something when we're getting > great service with minor interruptions provided on hardware and an OS that > only proves to be a testament of the roots of the LUG. > > > An answer to Cody and anyone else who haven't been able to make recent meetings. Steve's job is taking more of his time, which means he has less to devote to the server he donates to us. It saddens him to have to step aside, but it's necessary to his life. So we, as a group, must now do the job he has so selflessly done for so long. I hope that clears up any confusion. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/29cbb43a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From john@hemm.ws Sun Feb 28 04:13:43 2010 From: john@hemm.ws (John Hemm) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:13:43 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b1002271259l71a5327dp1a6c0ddd1188427b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B85CFF8.60802@sbcglobal.net> <44262bfc1002241759i18483603k453a36f9526b4a89@mail.gmail.com> <4B86FE38.8040902@belthesar.com> <997c8c1b1002271259l71a5327dp1a6c0ddd1188427b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89D322A29EA7413BBA4603A186B07C0A@familyhemm> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I don't know any of you personally. And never have been to a meeting. = But, I work with Steve and know how much time his job has been taking. = Especially after I had to leave his team and all the recent events.... I personally have my website hosted on Webhost Giant. The only = disadvantage I have there is no su access. So no custom app installs. = But for out of the box it's not bad. I do have a webserver at home. But = bad Mediacom upload speeds. John Hemm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Hall=20 To: qclug@qclug.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Switching hosting for the website On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Cody Wilson = wrote: I might be opening a big can of worms here, but I'm just curious... = Why is the LUG wanting to move off of the hosting generously provided by = Roadkill? I've been watching discussion about it fly by for 3 months = now, and none of it illustrates why. Now, I don't attend meetings, so = if this came up there, it would make sense as to why I know nothing = about it. I just wonder why we would look to pay for something when we're = getting great service with minor interruptions provided on hardware and = an OS that only proves to be a testament of the roots of the LUG. An answer to Cody and anyone else who haven't been able to make recent = meetings. Steve's job is taking more of his time, which means he has less to = devote to the server he donates to us. It saddens him to have to step = aside, but it's necessary to his life. So we, as a group, must now do = the job he has so selflessly done for so long. I hope that clears up any confusion. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/a2ff80ff/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--