From robmohr@earthnet.net Sat Jan 2 21:28:31 2010 From: robmohr@earthnet.net (robmohr@earthnet.net) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:28:31 -0700 Subject: [QCLUG] wvdial permissions/security or OK to start wvdial as root Message-ID: <20100102142831.18451tench5zg9ds@webmail.earthnet.net> Hello lug, A recent change to my routine has me not using typically wi fi, instead I have had to wind up a modem connect. Distro is SUsE. I found the wvdial.conf file in /etc/ and made the line edits. I had to do this as root (su.) The script starts with wvdial, and the connection works fine. But I am concerned that I start the service as root. I changed the permissions on the wvidial.conf file. But I can not start is up as a user. I then traced back the message "device ttS0 not available" to the /dev/ directory. I changed the permission on that file to "all" but I still have to start the wvidial service as root; not as user. Is it a bad security situation to start wvdial as root? Besides the above two files, what other permissions need to be reset to allow this wvdial service startup as a user? Mohr From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Jan 3 00:04:50 2010 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:04:50 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] wvdial permissions/security or OK to start wvdial as root In-Reply-To: <20100102142831.18451tench5zg9ds@webmail.earthnet.net> References: <20100102142831.18451tench5zg9ds@webmail.earthnet.net> Message-ID: <1c9537491001021604h7373409dga31a99813430d5b6@mail.gmail.com> Usually there's a 'dialup' group to which you can add your regular user account. You're better off doing it that way rather than fiddling with device node permissions. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:28 PM, wrote: > Hello lug, > > A recent change to my routine has me not using typically wi fi, instead I > have had to wind up a modem connect. > > Distro is SUsE. =C2=A0I found the wvdial.conf file in /etc/ and made the = line > edits. =C2=A0I had to do this as root (su.) =C2=A0The script starts with = wvdial, and > the connection works fine. =C2=A0But I am concerned that I start the serv= ice as > root. > > I changed the permissions on the wvidial.conf file. =C2=A0But I can not s= tart is > up as a user. =C2=A0I then traced back the message "device ttS0 not avail= able" to > the /dev/ directory. =C2=A0I changed the permission on that file to "all"= but I > still have to start the wvidial service as root; not as user. > > Is it a bad security situation to start wvdial as root? =C2=A0Besides the= above > two files, what other permissions need to be reset to allow this wvdial > service startup as a user? > > Mohr > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From wakecycle@gmail.com Mon Jan 4 03:25:59 2010 From: wakecycle@gmail.com (Brent Wyatt) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:25:59 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Hardware survey In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0912291102q19affb31p2dbf5d36ed701ceb@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0912291102q19affb31p2dbf5d36ed701ceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fc351331001031925r668f2762s341a77f6a41ee5dc@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I have 1 old box and 1 old laptop. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > I have the beginnings of a project idea. I need to know how many 1.5 GHz or > better machines are in the group. They need to be functional. If not > functional, how bad. Desktops would be better, but laptops can work. > > They should NOT be your main comp. > > I'm not saying anything else at the moment because I still have a lot of > work to do before I get to that point. > > Thanks, > Jim > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1ba4a13c/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sun Jan 10 19:45:59 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:45:59 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Tuesday Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001101145l15ce8552p70f3b3ccfb9b05fa@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment The meeiting this month is Tuesday (the 12th) is 6:30 PM at the Bettendorf Public Library. We should be able to wrap up the hosting topic. I've borrowed a projector, so someone please bring a laptop (ya, like that's a problem). See you all then. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3e8291f4/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From m.sweet83@gmail.com Mon Jan 11 22:16:05 2010 From: m.sweet83@gmail.com (Matthew Sweet) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:16:05 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting Tuesday In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D499AC19EA5@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <997c8c1b1001101145l15ce8552p70f3b3ccfb9b05fa@mail.gmail.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D499AC19EA5@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I'm going to try my best to make it. Gotta show my face eventually...never been to a meeting yet. On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:44 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > Sorry I spaced on Last months meeting! > > > > - David > > > > *From:* qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jim Hall > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:46 PM > *To:* qclug > *Subject:* [QCLUG] Meeting Tuesday > > > > The meeiting this month is Tuesday (the 12th) is 6:30 PM at the Bettendorf > Public Library. We should be able to wrap up the hosting topic. I've > borrowed a projector, so someone please bring a laptop (ya, like that's a > problem). > > See you all then. > > Jim > -- Matt Sweet ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/0ccf1cf3/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Jan 14 23:39:21 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:39:21 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] My Resume: I'm looking for a new position Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1058@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Friends and Colleagues, I've decided to move on from my current position. Please forward my resume to anybody you think may be interested in reviewing it. I plan on staying with my current employer for about another year in order to train replacement staff. https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=3D0AVz2q9g2zVZkZDJzdndkZF8yMGhzNXBoZmZn&h= l=3Den ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d9805654/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Fri Jan 15 01:58:32 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:58:32 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] My Resume: I'm looking for a new position In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1058@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1058@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4B4FCBC8.7060801@gmail.com> The game my company, Rhystic Games, is making hasn't launched, yet, but it should have by the time you're free. Once we've launched we'll likely be growing very quickly. I'm sure we could use someone of your talents. If you're interested, let me know and we'll look into it more seriously. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > > Friends and Colleagues, > > > > I've decided to move on from my current position. Please forward my > resume to anybody you think may be interested in reviewing it. I > plan on staying with my current employer for about another year in > order to train replacement staff. > > https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVz2q9g2zVZkZDJzdndkZF8yMGhzNXBoZmZn&hl=en > > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Fri Jan 15 14:36:19 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:36:19 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] My Resume: I'm looking for a new position In-Reply-To: <4B4FCBC8.7060801@gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1058@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4B4FCBC8.7060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE106C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Of course I'm interested, but my salary expectations are pretty steep for a= startup. I'm making $75/hour now and I'd like to continue at that rate i= n the future. If that's something you feel like you can accommodate as th= e time draws closer then absolutely hit me up. David=20 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Rhys Black Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:59 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] My Resume: I'm looking for a new position The game my company, Rhystic Games, is making hasn't launched, yet, but=20 it should have by the time you're free. Once we've launched we'll=20 likely be growing very quickly. I'm sure we could use someone of your=20 talents. If you're interested, let me know and we'll look into it more=20 seriously. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > > Friends and Colleagues, > > =20 > > I've decided to move on from my current position. Please forward my > resume to anybody you think may be interested in reviewing it. I > plan on staying with my current employer for about another year in > order to train replacement staff. > > https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=3D0AVz2q9g2zVZkZDJzdndkZF8yMGhzNXBoZmZn= &hl=3Den=20 > > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From pdameasap@gmail.com Fri Jan 15 23:27:31 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:27:31 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] My Resume: I'm looking for a new position In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE106C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1058@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <4B4FCBC8.7060801@gmail.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE106C@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4B50F9E3.2090807@gmail.com> You're right, that's a bit on the high side for a startup, but we'll see. The event we'd need you would be if things took off. In that case, I'm not sure that we'd be able to meet that rate, but we might be able to get close. We'll know better what's going on in a few months. I'll keep in touch. Several people are volunteering time until we get things off the ground. If that might interest you, starting as a hobby and rolling into a full time, that's something we could talk about also. I don't know how much free time you'll have before you move on from your present job, but it's fun work and there's no better way to get started working with people than doing a hobby together. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > Of course I'm interested, but my salary expectations are pretty steep for a startup. I'm making $75/hour now and I'd like to continue at that rate in the future. If that's something you feel like you can accommodate as the time draws closer then absolutely hit me up. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Rhys Black > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:59 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] My Resume: I'm looking for a new position > > The game my company, Rhystic Games, is making hasn't launched, yet, but > it should have by the time you're free. Once we've launched we'll > likely be growing very quickly. I'm sure we could use someone of your > talents. If you're interested, let me know and we'll look into it more > seriously. > > ~Rhys > > David Hinkle wrote: > >> Friends and Colleagues, >> >> >> >> I've decided to move on from my current position. Please forward my >> resume to anybody you think may be interested in reviewing it. I >> plan on staying with my current employer for about another year in >> order to train replacement staff. >> >> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVz2q9g2zVZkZDJzdndkZF8yMGhzNXBoZmZn&hl=en >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Mon Jan 18 01:30:11 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:30:11 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Febuary Meeting Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1186@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment You guys still planning on visiting CIPAFilter in your Febuary meeting? I= f so I'd like to get a presentation together. I was thinking maybe someth= ing on replacing smart switches with linux. David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/69d6bfa2/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:00:41 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:00:41 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Febuary Meeting In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1186@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1186@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001181000t3151e476w33473039be977f1@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:30 PM, David Hinkle wrote= : > You guys still planning on visiting CIPAFilter in your Febuary meeting? > If so I=E2=80=99d like to get a presentation together. I was thinking m= aybe > something on replacing smart switches with linux. > > > David > That is the plan. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/7e4cc61d/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 00:00:46 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:00:46 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February Meeting In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b1001181000t3151e476w33473039be977f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE1186@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <997c8c1b1001181000t3151e476w33473039be977f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B54F62E.9040405@gmail.com> Sounds pretty interesting. I should be attending. On a side note, I spaced on the last meeting, so if anyone who was present has blurbs on presented topics, feel free to drop me a line. I'd like to update the LinkedIn group for those, like me, who were unable to attend. If you have a blurb and want it posted, send it to me so I can post or ask to have status added on the group so you can post yourself. Thank you! ~Rhys Jim Hall wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:30 PM, David Hinkle > wrote: > > You guys still planning on visiting CIPAFilter in your Febuary > meeting? If so I’d like to get a presentation together. I was > thinking maybe something on replacing smart switches with linux. > > > David > > > That is the plan. > > Jim From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 19 01:55:31 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:55:31 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service Message-ID: <4B551113.4060803@sbcglobal.net> Ok, folks, I have had some time to call/chat with a few people at SquareSpace, GoDaddy, and HostMonster. SquareSpace is out, as they are pretty much website only, no mail support. I am waiting for a response to some questions from GoDaddy, so I will post on them once they answer our questions about dedicated servers and root access. HOSTMONSTER Linux-based It is a shared-server environment, so there is no 'root' access or dedicated servers. Unlimited hosting space Unlimited bandwidth Unlimited domains (I don't think we care about this, but who knows?) Unlimited POP/IMAP accounts Video or site-style tutorials for just about everything! Demo log-in which I used to test most of the domain-transfer and mail-listserv stuff. If it is this easy for me, just about anyone in the group can do it! Live-chat help is available, and the response was pretty quick Registar transfer is free. It may take up to 7 days, based on how quickly current admin 'approves' the transfer. It extends our ownership of the domain for one year. No setup fee Accounts are: 3yr@ $250.20 pre-paid ~6.95/mo 2yr@ $190.80 pre-paid ~7.95/mo 1yr@ $107.40 pre-paid ~8.95/mo These are the normal charges. They are currently doing a promo on the 3yr@ $314.20 ~$5.95/mo. Dedicated IP is $30/yr SSL Cert is $45/yr (if we need it) Free simple mailserve (not sure of program name) for up to 100 users, DADAMail is suggested for larger groups, which seems to be a surcharge. Justin (live chat support) doesn't think we will need anything more than the basic mailserver stuff. The mail accounts and list/s can have either PostINI or SpamAssassin filtering, with PostINI being a surcharge of $1.00/month for each email account mail is sent to and coming from. SpamAssassin is free. That is what I have learned about HostMonster. I will post again when I get more info. From the looks of the weather forecast for Wednesday, I may be spending a good chunk of the day on calling, as I don't think I will want to be out in the crud heading our way. Randy From combustioninc@yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 03:36:27 2010 From: combustioninc@yahoo.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:36:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG CHRIS -- Where is ... Message-ID: <81014.35988.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Chris=0A=0AWhere is the QC Mac Meeting tomorrrow (on January 19) ?=A0 Is it= =0Aat Redeemer Lutheran or at Bettendorf Library ? The web site has=0Aconfu= sing messages about where it is.=A0 Please post where that meeting is as so= on=0Aas possible...Thanks=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0A From m.sweet83@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 04:12:27 2010 From: m.sweet83@gmail.com (Matthew Sweet) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:12:27 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <4B551113.4060803@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B551113.4060803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Godaddy hasn't failed me yet...and I've been using them for 2 years now. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:55 PM, agamotto wrote: > Ok, folks, I have had some time to call/chat with a few people at > SquareSpace, GoDaddy, and HostMonster. SquareSpace is out, as they are > pretty much website only, no mail support. I am waiting for a response to > some questions from GoDaddy, so I will post on them once they answer our > questions about dedicated servers and root access. > > > HOSTMONSTER > > Linux-based > It is a shared-server environment, so there is no 'root' access or > dedicated servers. > > Unlimited hosting space > Unlimited bandwidth > Unlimited domains (I don't think we care about this, but who knows?) > Unlimited POP/IMAP accounts > > Video or site-style tutorials for just about everything! > Demo log-in which I used to test most of the domain-transfer and > mail-listserv stuff. If it is this easy for me, just about anyone in the > group can do it! > Live-chat help is available, and the response was pretty quick > > Registar transfer is free. It may take up to 7 days, based on how quickly > current admin 'approves' the transfer. It extends our ownership of the > domain for one year. > > No setup fee > Accounts are: > > 3yr@ $250.20 pre-paid ~6.95/mo > 2yr@ $190.80 pre-paid ~7.95/mo > 1yr@ $107.40 pre-paid ~8.95/mo > > These are the normal charges. They are currently doing a promo on > the > 3yr@ $314.20 ~$5.95/mo. > > Dedicated IP is $30/yr > SSL Cert is $45/yr (if we need it) > > Free simple mailserve (not sure of program name) for up to 100 users, > DADAMail is suggested for larger groups, which seems to be a surcharge. > Justin (live chat support) doesn't think we will need anything more than > the basic mailserver stuff. > > The mail accounts and list/s can have either PostINI or SpamAssassin > filtering, with PostINI being a surcharge of $1.00/month for each email > account mail is sent to and coming from. SpamAssassin is free. > > That is what I have learned about HostMonster. I will post again when I > get more info. From the looks of the weather forecast for Wednesday, I may > be spending a good chunk of the day on calling, as I don't think I will > want to be out in the crud heading our way. > > Randy > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- Matt Sweet ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/ca8b1938/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From adk@52761.com Tue Jan 19 04:44:01 2010 From: adk@52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:44:01 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: References: <4B551113.4060803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <678823f01001182044w37075867w62e5332aa4b8e44@mail.gmail.com> I am using a service called Sharkspace. www.sharkspace.com It is a reseller in WI using space from a large host in TX. Speed is excellent. Uptime- I have never known it to be down. I have the 20G package for 4.59/mo. Google for discount codes to get that price. Uses Cpanel including many packages. my two cents Allen On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Matthew Sweet wrote= : > Godaddy hasn't failed me yet...and I've been using them for 2 years now. > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:55 PM, agamotto wrote: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ok, folks, I have had some time to call/chat with a few p= eople at >> SquareSpace, GoDaddy, and HostMonster. =A0SquareSpace is out, as they ar= e >> pretty much website only, no mail support. =A0I am waiting for a respons= e to >> some questions from GoDaddy, so I will post on them once they answer our >> questions about dedicated servers and root access. >> >> >> HOSTMONSTER >> >> Linux-based >> It is a shared-server environment, so there is no 'root' access or >> dedicated servers. >> >> Unlimited hosting space >> Unlimited bandwidth >> Unlimited domains (I don't think we care about this, but who knows?) >> Unlimited POP/IMAP accounts >> >> Video or site-style tutorials for just about everything! >> Demo log-in which I used to test most of the domain-transfer and >> mail-listserv stuff. =A0If it is this easy for me, just about anyone in = the >> group can do it! >> Live-chat help is available, and the response was pretty quick >> >> Registar transfer is free. =A0It may take up to 7 days, based on how qui= ckly >> current admin 'approves' the transfer. =A0It extends our ownership of th= e >> domain for one year. >> >> No setup fee >> Accounts are: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A03yr@ $250.20 pre-paid ~6.95/mo >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02yr@ $190.80 pre-paid ~7.95/mo >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01yr@ $107.40 pre-paid ~8.95/mo >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0These are the normal charges. =A0They are currently doing= a promo on >> the >> 3yr@ $314.20 ~$5.95/mo. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dedicated IP is $30/yr >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0SSL Cert is $45/yr (if we need it) >> >> Free simple mailserve (not sure of program name) for up to 100 users, >> DADAMail is suggested for larger groups, which seems to be a surcharge. >> Justin (live chat support) doesn't think we will need anything more than >> the basic mailserver stuff. >> >> The mail accounts and list/s can have either PostINI or SpamAssassin >> filtering, with PostINI being a surcharge of $1.00/month for each email >> account mail is sent to and coming from. =A0SpamAssassin is free. >> >> That is what I have learned about HostMonster. =A0I will post again when= I >> get more info. =A0From the looks of the weather forecast for Wednesday, = I >> may >> be spending a good chunk of the day on calling, as I don't think I will >> want to be out in the crud heading our way. >> >> Randy >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > -- > Matt Sweet > > From combustioninc@yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 05:03:39 2010 From: combustioninc@yahoo.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:03:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting Message-ID: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> All=0A=0AI'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux fo= r the March Meeting-- it will=0Amean though that I'll need the entire 90 mi= nutes.=A0 Whose interested ? I nned time to prepare=0Aso dont wait too long= to respond if you're interested.=0A=0AThe goal would just be to get people= started on writing, compiling, and running their own=0AC++ programs.=0A=0A= Bob=0A=0A=0A From pdameasap@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 10:56:27 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:56:27 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B558FDB.2010402@gmail.com> I wouldn't mind. I know C++ but haven't done a whole lot of compiling on Linux. I wouldn't mind working on my basic skills so I can get more out of the multiple Linux computers I have sitting around. Will I need a laptop for the class? I know people probably have a lot of spares floating around, so if anyone could bring an extra laptop or two for those like me with experience but without a Linux laptop, that might be worthwhile. I might be able to get a friend to come in for the class, too. @Larry How about it, Larry, want to come in for a Linux programming class? Should be fun... ~Rhys Bob wrote: > All > > I'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux for the March Meeting-- it will > mean though that I'll need the entire 90 minutes. Whose interested ? I nned time to prepare > so dont wait too long to respond if you're interested. > > The goal would just be to get people started on writing, compiling, and running their own > C++ programs. > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 16:18:44 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:18:44 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG CHRIS -- Where is ... In-Reply-To: <81014.35988.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <81014.35988.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001190818q5d47cf6bp4a74502875ad3560@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Bob wrote: > Chris > > Where is the QC Mac Meeting tomorrrow (on January 19) ? Is it > at Redeemer Lutheran or at Bettendorf Library ? The web site has > confusing messages about where it is. Please post where that meeting is as > soon > as possible...Thanks > > Bob > > > The QCMUG meeting is tonight (Tue the 19th) at Redeemer Lutheran at 6:30 pm. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/27704277/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 16:24:56 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:24:56 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <4B558FDB.2010402@gmail.com> References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B558FDB.2010402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001190824t776d477crae0d5be1517fc7de@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > I wouldn't mind. I know C++ but haven't done a whole lot of compiling on > Linux. I wouldn't mind working on my basic skills so I can get more out of > the multiple Linux computers I have sitting around. > > Will I need a laptop for the class? I know people probably have a lot of > spares floating around, so if anyone could bring an extra laptop or two for > those like me with experience but without a Linux laptop, that might be > worthwhile. > > I might be able to get a friend to come in for the class, too. > > @Larry > How about it, Larry, want to come in for a Linux programming class? Should > be fun... > > ~Rhys > > > Bob wrote: > >> All >> >> I'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux for the >> March Meeting-- it will >> mean though that I'll need the entire 90 minutes. Whose interested ? I >> nned time to prepare >> so dont wait too long to respond if you're interested. >> >> The goal would just be to get people started on writing, compiling, and >> running their own >> C++ programs. >> >> Bob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > Sounds like a good program. Will you need me to borrow the projector again? Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f795e50a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Jan 19 16:41:32 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:41:32 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <4B551113.4060803@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B551113.4060803@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5DD59862-1C4B-41CF-AE38-79F1000E5E8E@cipafilter.com> I use godaddy virtual hosting for my personal sever that runs Frugalreef.co= m Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:55 PM, "agamotto" wrote: > Ok, folks, I have had some time to call/chat with a few people at > SquareSpace, GoDaddy, and HostMonster. SquareSpace is out, as they =20 > are > pretty much website only, no mail support. I am waiting for a =20 > response to > some questions from GoDaddy, so I will post on them once they answer =20 > our > questions about dedicated servers and root access. > > > HOSTMONSTER > > Linux-based > It is a shared-server environment, so there is no 'root' access or > dedicated servers. > > Unlimited hosting space > Unlimited bandwidth > Unlimited domains (I don't think we care about this, but who knows?) > Unlimited POP/IMAP accounts > > Video or site-style tutorials for just about everything! > Demo log-in which I used to test most of the domain-transfer and > mail-listserv stuff. If it is this easy for me, just about anyone =20 > in the > group can do it! > Live-chat help is available, and the response was pretty quick > > Registar transfer is free. It may take up to 7 days, based on how =20 > quickly > current admin 'approves' the transfer. It extends our ownership of =20 > the > domain for one year. > > No setup fee > Accounts are: > > 3yr@ $250.20 pre-paid ~6.95/mo > 2yr@ $190.80 pre-paid ~7.95/mo > 1yr@ $107.40 pre-paid ~8.95/mo > > These are the normal charges. They are currently doing a promo =20 > on the > 3yr@ $314.20 ~$5.95/mo. > > Dedicated IP is $30/yr > SSL Cert is $45/yr (if we need it) > > Free simple mailserve (not sure of program name) for up to 100 users, > DADAMail is suggested for larger groups, which seems to be a =20 > surcharge. > Justin (live chat support) doesn't think we will need anything more =20 > than > the basic mailserver stuff. > > The mail accounts and list/s can have either PostINI or SpamAssassin > filtering, with PostINI being a surcharge of $1.00/month for each =20 > email > account mail is sent to and coming from. SpamAssassin is free. > > That is what I have learned about HostMonster. I will post again =20 > when I > get more info. From the looks of the weather forecast for =20 > Wednesday, I may > be spending a good chunk of the day on calling, as I don't think I =20 > will > want to be out in the crud heading our way. > > Randy > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Jan 19 16:43:39 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:43:39 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50B7BCCD-CB0B-4443-AA78-D1D449A99E2B@cipafilter.com> That's an interesting topic, we could follow it up with a class on =20 subversion or something similiar next month. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:03 PM, "Bob" wrote: > All > > I'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux for =20 > the March Meeting-- it will > mean though that I'll need the entire 90 minutes. Whose =20 > interested ? I nned time to prepare > so dont wait too long to respond if you're interested. > > The goal would just be to get people started on writing, compiling, =20 > and running their own > C++ programs. > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From dbergert@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 17:14:50 2010 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:14:50 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <50B7BCCD-CB0B-4443-AA78-D1D449A99E2B@cipafilter.com> References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <50B7BCCD-CB0B-4443-AA78-D1D449A99E2B@cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <44262bfc1001190914u2af8db33l9975007553a0194a@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment aren't the cool kids using git nowadays :) On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Hinkle wrote: > That's an interesting topic, we could follow it up with a class on > subversion or something similiar next month. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:03 PM, "Bob" wrote: > > > All > > > > I'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux for > > the March Meeting-- it will > > mean though that I'll need the entire 90 minutes. Whose > > interested ? I nned time to prepare > > so dont wait too long to respond if you're interested. > > > > The goal would just be to get people started on writing, compiling, > > and running their own > > C++ programs. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/8f8ca0aa/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 19:28:16 2010 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:28:16 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <50B7BCCD-CB0B-4443-AA78-D1D449A99E2B@cipafilter.com> <44262bfc1001190914u2af8db33l9975007553a0194a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537491001191128w551db0dew4ff945bbd99bed25@mail.gmail.com> Yes, the cool kids are using git. It's open source, and I believe it always has been.. Linus is one of the primary contributors to the project. I still get lost here and there when using git, but typically it continues to amaze me by being awesome. http://git-scm.com/about Also, sites like http://github.com are awesome. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:13 PM, David Hinkle wrote= : > Is that open source now? > > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:15 AM, "Dave Bergert" wrote: > > aren't the cool kids using git nowadays :) > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Hinkle > wrote: >> >> That's an interesting topic, we could follow it up with a class on >> subversion or something similiar next month. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:03 PM, "Bob" wrote: >> >> > All >> > >> > I'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux for >> > the March Meeting-- it will >> > mean though that I'll need the entire 90 minutes. =C2=A0Whose >> > interested ? I nned time to prepare >> > so dont wait too long to respond if you're interested. >> > >> > The goal would just be to get people started on writing, compiling, >> > and running their own >> > C++ programs. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > QCLUG mailing list >> > QCLUG@qclug.org >> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From pdameasap@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 19:29:20 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:29:20 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <50B7BCCD-CB0B-4443-AA78-D1D449A99E2B@cipafilter.com> <44262bfc1001190914u2af8db33l9975007553a0194a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B560810.8080605@gmail.com> IDK, but a lot of the Facebook stuff is hosted on github. The interface is really nice. I wouldn't mind learning more Subversion stuff, too. I used to run a vanilla CVS server and would have been really happy if my work would have allowed me to upgrade to a SVN server. ~Rhys David Hinkle wrote: > Is that open source now? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:15 AM, "Dave Bergert" > wrote: > >> aren't the cool kids using git nowadays :) >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David Hinkle > > wrote: >> >> That's an interesting topic, we could follow it up with a class on >> subversion or something similiar next month. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:03 PM, "Bob" > > wrote: >> >> > All >> > >> > I'd like to offer to give a C++ primer class using g++ on linux for >> > the March Meeting-- it will >> > mean though that I'll need the entire 90 minutes. Whose >> > interested ? I nned time to prepare >> > so dont wait too long to respond if you're interested. >> > >> > The goal would just be to get people started on writing, compiling, >> > and running their own >> > C++ programs. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > QCLUG mailing list >> > QCLUG@qclug.org >> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> From vorlon@dodds.net Tue Jan 19 21:55:23 2010 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:55:23 -0800 Subject: [QCLUG] March Meeting In-Reply-To: <44262bfc1001190914u2af8db33l9975007553a0194a@mail.gmail.com> References: <227224.45629.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <50B7BCCD-CB0B-4443-AA78-D1D449A99E2B@cipafilter.com> <44262bfc1001190914u2af8db33l9975007553a0194a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100119215523.GA15029@dario.dodds.net> ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:14:50AM -0600, Dave Bergert wrote: > aren't the cool kids using git nowadays :) Nah, the *cool* kids are using bzr. :) --=20 Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 828 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d0e77b4a/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment-- From baldy@mchsi.com Tue Jan 19 22:29:16 2010 From: baldy@mchsi.com (Baldy) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:29:16 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Is The meeting at Derby Tech? Message-ID: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> As I have not been to a meeting since the beginning of time I am not sure where it is located Any hints so I can figure a game plan coming from SW Rock Island From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Wed Jan 20 15:36:57 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:36:57 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Is The meeting at Derby Tech? In-Reply-To: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> References: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001200736x73a61b0ax1fde55f296ff7792@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Baldy wrote: > As I have not been to a meeting since the beginning of time I am not sure > where it is located Any hints so I can figure a game plan coming from SW > Rock Island > _______________________________________________ > Yes, the Feb meeting is at the old "Derby Tech" bldg. Do you need the street address? And to make your trip easier, we now have paved streets! Smoother ride for your chariot. :) Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/e2585088/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Jan 20 17:16:44 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:16:44 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] CIPAFilter (AKA DerbyTech) Location In-Reply-To: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> References: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE13AE@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Here's a link to our location in google maps using google's new url shortne= r to make it of reasonable length. http://goo.gl/nCe8 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Baldy Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:29 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Is The meeting at Derby Tech? As I have not been to a meeting since the beginning of time I am not=20 sure where it is located Any hints so I can figure a game plan coming=20 from SW Rock Island _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From baldylinux@gmail.com Wed Jan 20 18:02:54 2010 From: baldylinux@gmail.com (Baldy) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:02:54 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] CIPAFilter (AKA DerbyTech) Location In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE13AE@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE13AE@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <4B57454E.1070108@gmail.com> David Hinkle wrote: > Here's a link to our location in google maps using google's new url shortner to make it of reasonable length. > > http://goo.gl/nCe8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Baldy > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:29 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] Is The meeting at Derby Tech? > > As I have not been to a meeting since the beginning of time I am not > sure where it is located Any hints so I can figure a game plan coming > from SW Rock Island > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > I thought so but due to the fine work of mediacom and am just now getting all the messages telling me yup that is the place oh well I guess next month will be a maybe. then and yes I know where the museum is at. LOL From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Wed Jan 20 23:39:52 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:39:52 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Is The meeting at Derby Tech? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE13B0@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> <997c8c1b1001200736x73a61b0ax1fde55f296ff7792@mail.gmail.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D91A6DE13B0@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001201539p55e60535x6f4ae927e8651359@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:19 AM, David Hinkle wrote: > Tuesday the 9th of feburary for next meeting at CIPAFilter right? > > > David > > > > Yep. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/4c8b0bef/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From crossguy@hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 01:56:40 2010 From: crossguy@hotmail.com (Ben Ziegler) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:56:40 +0000 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Some of you seemed interested in this at the Bettendorf Library=2C so I'm s= pamming the list again. QC 2600 will meet February 5=2C 2010 from 5 to 8pm @ Cool Beanz Coffee Hous= e. Come out as you can=2C meet technology enthusiasts for open discussion. Bring your projects=2C laptops=2C toys=2C and what-have-you. Free wifi=2C plus we= 'll have our own LAN setup for demos.=20 Potential topics: 3D printers=2C SSL=2C GSM=2C rainbow tables=2C Ham radio=2C High voltage=2C tesla coils=2C=20 setting up a programming environment=2C building your own home gateway/firewall/NAS=2C etc hackerspaces=2C and why you should want one I'll have a metasploit setup to test whatever you show up wanting to talk about! Map: http://bit.ly/5rtong Ben Ziegler =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/= ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/771142b6/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Jan 21 10:45:30 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:45:30 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B58304A.8040405@gmail.com> I sure would like to attend this. It's just a matter of clearing the time and remembering it. It's literally like half a block away from me. ~Rhys Ben Ziegler wrote: > Some of you seemed interested in this at the Bettendorf Library, so > I'm spamming the list again. > > QC 2600 will meet February 5, 2010 from 5 to 8pm @ Cool Beanz Coffee > House. > Come out as you can, meet technology enthusiasts for open discussion. > Bring your projects, laptops, toys, and what-have-you. Free wifi, plus > we'll have our own LAN setup for demos. > > Potential topics: > 3D printers, SSL, GSM, rainbow tables, Ham radio, > High voltage, tesla coils, > setting up a programming environment, > building your own home gateway/firewall/NAS, etc > hackerspaces, and why you should want one > I'll have a metasploit setup to test > whatever you show up wanting to talk about! > > Map: http://bit.ly/5rtong > > Ben Ziegler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > From arronlorenz@gmail.com Thu Jan 21 18:53:35 2010 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:53:35 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] February 2600 In-Reply-To: <4B58304A.8040405@gmail.com> References: <4B58304A.8040405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b31001211053o613b91adg9d40d66af48b1bbd@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I'll be there. Just another day to hang out and be geeky. Thus far both meetings have been fun/productive. Well not so much productive but good discussions none-the-less. Arron On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Rhys Black wrote: > I sure would like to attend this. It's just a matter of clearing the time > and remembering it. It's literally like half a block away from me. > > ~Rhys > > Ben Ziegler wrote: > >> Some of you seemed interested in this at the Bettendorf Library, so I'm >> spamming the list again. >> >> QC 2600 will meet February 5, 2010 from 5 to 8pm @ Cool Beanz Coffee >> House. >> Come out as you can, meet technology enthusiasts for open discussion. >> Bring your projects, laptops, toys, and what-have-you. Free wifi, plus we'll >> have our own LAN setup for demos. >> >> Potential topics: >> 3D printers, SSL, GSM, rainbow tables, Ham radio, >> High voltage, tesla coils, >> setting up a programming environment, >> building your own home gateway/firewall/NAS, etc >> hackerspaces, and why you should want one >> I'll have a metasploit setup to test >> whatever you show up wanting to talk about! >> >> Map: http://bit.ly/5rtong >> >> Ben Ziegler >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. < >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/c386fa56/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Thu Jan 21 21:01:00 2010 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:01:00 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Preaching to the choir Message-ID: <30cf66b31001211301g462d3c2dnf4e5bb4ff83946e2@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Just popping on to bitch... I just downloaded and installed ICQ v7 here at work on my Windows box and I was pretty appalled by the way ICQ7 hides the toolbar/default search settings for your browser. I guess I had always thought that ICQ was a bit above the trickery. I took a screencast of the install process, and what you have to do to make sure not to get APPSPAM. http://www.screencast.com/users/arronlorenz/folders/Jing/media/b9ea03f0-8255-4a52-b701-077ec6616363 -- From: Arron James Lorenz http://ArronLorenz.com (563) 4470-AJL Reel to Reel Drive-In DavenportDriveIn.com Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy Ferris ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/58997f9d/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From m.sweet83@gmail.com Fri Jan 22 04:55:24 2010 From: m.sweet83@gmail.com (Matthew Sweet) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:55:24 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Preaching to the choir In-Reply-To: <30cf66b31001211301g462d3c2dnf4e5bb4ff83946e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b31001211301g462d3c2dnf4e5bb4ff83946e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12C76943-2007-4FD5-9947-7C667C4C5ECC@gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thanks for the heads up! On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > Just popping on to bitch... I just downloaded and installed ICQ v7 = here at work on my Windows box and I was pretty appalled by the way ICQ7 = hides the toolbar/default search settings for your browser. I guess I = had always thought that ICQ was a bit above the trickery. I took a = screencast of the install process, and what you have to do to make sure = not to get APPSPAM. >=20 > = http://www.screencast.com/users/arronlorenz/folders/Jing/media/b9ea03f0-82= 55-4a52-b701-077ec6616363 >=20 > --=20 > From: > Arron James Lorenz > http://ArronLorenz.com > (563) 4470-AJL >=20 > Reel to Reel Drive-In > DavenportDriveIn.com >=20 > Profit is only profitable to the extent that you can use it ~Timothy = Ferris >=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/9dd54a0e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmb8000@earthlink.net Sat Jan 23 02:00:34 2010 From: jmb8000@earthlink.net (John Bubon) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:00:34 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Openoffice Printing Landscape Mode In-Reply-To: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> References: <4B56323C.9090804@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <4B5A5842.5000601@earthlink.net> I'm unable to print in landscape mode from OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet and OpenOffice.org Word Processor. I can set the "Printer Settings" for Landscape, but the Page Preview is still in Portrait mode and the printed page is in Portrait mode. Landscape mode worked in the past. Ubuntu 8.10 OpenOffice.org 2.4 Printer HP ( I believe 7500 or 7800) I am still able to print Firefox data in landscape mode. Thinking it might be a problem with my account settings, I created a new account. The new account also will not print openoffice data in landscape mode. Would anybody have any suggestions on how to restore openoffice to it's previous settings. Thanks John Bubon From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Jan 27 22:01:10 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:01:10 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Do you call it C or C++ ? Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I've been talking to a lot of recruiters lately, and everybody is very seri= ous about significant C++ experience. And I'm thinking to myself, is eve= rything C++ now adays? All the linux software I've ever worked with is in = plain C. But today I realized that maybe now a days C++ just refers to= C programming. So do you draw a distinction between C++ and C? If you do, does C++ mean = to take an object oriented approach and C means standard old skewl code wit= h structs and arrays and no full fledged objects? What does C++ mean to you? Do you consider applications like the linux ker= nel, samba, php, etc to be written in C or C++? David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/102bf93b/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From JSmith@SedonaTek.com Wed Jan 27 22:28:26 2010 From: JSmith@SedonaTek.com (Jerry Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:26 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I certainly hope people are not referring to straight C as C++. But you ar= e correct that C++ added what was needed for OOP. I'll be honest and say I= 've not looked at the source of the applications you mentioned, but I'll ve= nture a guess and say they were written in straight C. Jerry ________________________________ From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= David Hinkle Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:01 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Do you call it C or C++ ? I've been talking to a lot of recruiters lately, and everybody is very seri= ous about significant C++ experience. And I'm thinking to myself, is eve= rything C++ now adays? All the linux software I've ever worked with is in = plain C. But today I realized that maybe now a days C++ just refers to= C programming. So do you draw a distinction between C++ and C? If you do, does C++ mean = to take an object oriented approach and C means standard old skewl code wit= h structs and arrays and no full fledged objects? What does C++ mean to you? Do you consider applications like the linux ker= nel, samba, php, etc to be written in C or C++? David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/bb4df856/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Jan 27 23:27:56 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:27:56 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Yea, all that software I mentioned is written in what I would call strait C= . I've been involved in editing the source of all three projects. I can= 't think of a single major Linux application that is written in C++, and I = just wonder what's up. Now in windows it's completely different, everythi= ng is C++ and I've done significant C++ on that platform, but on Linux, the= occasional C++ app is the odd duck. Really, they're far more the same than different, and I have a great deal o= f experience with both. I just want to know if I'm using the nomenclature = the same way everybody else is. Btw Jerry, Surprised to see you guys at Sedona Tek lurking on the list, bu= t I shouldn't be :) I was just talking to Ernie this morning as a matter = of fact. Are you coming to the next meeting? I'll be hosting here at CIP= AFilter. David From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Jerry Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:28 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? I certainly hope people are not referring to straight C as C++. But you ar= e correct that C++ added what was needed for OOP. I'll be honest and say I= 've not looked at the source of the applications you mentioned, but I'll ve= nture a guess and say they were written in straight C. Jerry ________________________________ From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= David Hinkle Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:01 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Do you call it C or C++ ? I've been talking to a lot of recruiters lately, and everybody is very seri= ous about significant C++ experience. And I'm thinking to myself, is eve= rything C++ now adays? All the linux software I've ever worked with is in = plain C. But today I realized that maybe now a days C++ just refers to= C programming. So do you draw a distinction between C++ and C? If you do, does C++ mean = to take an object oriented approach and C means standard old skewl code wit= h structs and arrays and no full fledged objects? What does C++ mean to you? Do you consider applications like the linux ker= nel, samba, php, etc to be written in C or C++? David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/68a20566/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From JSmith@SedonaTek.com Thu Jan 28 00:08:47 2010 From: JSmith@SedonaTek.com (Jerry Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:08:47 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A31037403@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment It's always my intention to make another meeting, but it just never seems t= o work out! I'll have to see what February has in store :) -Jerry ________________________________ From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= David Hinkle Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:28 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? Yea, all that software I mentioned is written in what I would call strait C= . I've been involved in editing the source of all three projects. I can= 't think of a single major Linux application that is written in C++, and I = just wonder what's up. Now in windows it's completely different, everythi= ng is C++ and I've done significant C++ on that platform, but on Linux, the= occasional C++ app is the odd duck. Really, they're far more the same than different, and I have a great deal o= f experience with both. I just want to know if I'm using the nomenclature = the same way everybody else is. Btw Jerry, Surprised to see you guys at Sedona Tek lurking on the list, bu= t I shouldn't be :) I was just talking to Ernie this morning as a matter = of fact. Are you coming to the next meeting? I'll be hosting here at CIP= AFilter. David From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Jerry Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:28 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? I certainly hope people are not referring to straight C as C++. But you ar= e correct that C++ added what was needed for OOP. I'll be honest and say I= 've not looked at the source of the applications you mentioned, but I'll ve= nture a guess and say they were written in straight C. Jerry ________________________________ From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= David Hinkle Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:01 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Do you call it C or C++ ? I've been talking to a lot of recruiters lately, and everybody is very seri= ous about significant C++ experience. And I'm thinking to myself, is eve= rything C++ now adays? All the linux software I've ever worked with is in = plain C. But today I realized that maybe now a days C++ just refers to= C programming. So do you draw a distinction between C++ and C? If you do, does C++ mean = to take an object oriented approach and C means standard old skewl code wit= h structs and arrays and no full fledged objects? What does C++ mean to you? Do you consider applications like the linux ker= nel, samba, php, etc to be written in C or C++? David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1b446a1e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From vorlon@dodds.net Thu Jan 28 01:12:45 2010 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:12:45 -0800 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <20100128011245.GA13555@dario.dodds.net> ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 05:27:56PM -0600, David Hinkle wrote: > I can't think of a single major Linux application that is written in C++, > and I just wonder what's up. - KDE - OpenOffice - Google protobuf - APT - Firefox - PTLib - Aspell - MythTV - eSpeak - Exiv2 - groff - Poppler - WebKit - ICU - Inkscape Cheers, --=20 Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 828 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/5c4ece5e/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Jan 28 02:07:44 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:07:44 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <20100128011245.GA13555@dario.dodds.net> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <20100128011245.GA13555@dario.dodds.net> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF42@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Yea, that's a good point. A lot of windowed type UI software is written i= n C++, which lends itself very well to graphical UI's. That's where most o= f my personal experience with C++ is at, in client UI software. My long ti= me specialization in server applications and low level OS things have defia= ntly caused a little myopia on my part, and I've over looked the client sof= tware. What's your opinion on the original topic? Do you feel people are saying C= ++ when they mean C? Or do you feel that when people say C++ they mean obj= ect oriented software? David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Steve Langasek Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:13 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 05:27:56PM -0600, David Hinkle wrote: > I can't think of a single major Linux application that is written in=20 > C++, and I just wonder what's up. - KDE - OpenOffice - Google protobuf - APT - Firefox - PTLib - Aspell - MythTV - eSpeak - Exiv2 - groff - Poppler - WebKit - ICU - Inkscape Cheers, --=20 Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org From dbergert@gmail.com Thu Jan 28 03:10:58 2010 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:10:58 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF42@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <20100128011245.GA13555@dario.dodds.net> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF42@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <44262bfc1001271910i2717f062t23e7bac35da9157c@mail.gmail.com> Bjarne Stroustrup maintains this list of C++ programs: http://www2.research.att.com/~bs/applications.html I agree that many think that C/C++ in many circles are used interchangeably= . On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:07 PM, David Hinkle wrote= : > > Yea, that's a good point. =A0 A lot of windowed type UI software is writt= en in C++, which lends itself very well to graphical UI's. =A0That's where = most of my personal experience with C++ is at, in client UI software. =A0My= long time specialization in server applications and low level OS things ha= ve defiantly caused a little myopia on my part, and I've over looked the cl= ient software. > > What's your opinion on the original topic? =A0Do you feel people are sayi= ng C++ when they mean C? =A0Or do you feel that when people say C++ they me= an object oriented software? > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf = Of Steve Langasek > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:13 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 05:27:56PM -0600, David Hinkle wrote: > > I can't think of a single major Linux application that is written in > > C++, and I just wonder what's up. > > - KDE > - OpenOffice > - Google protobuf > - APT > - Firefox > - PTLib > - Aspell > - MythTV > - eSpeak > - Exiv2 > - groff > - Poppler > - WebKit > - ICU > - Inkscape > > Cheers, > -- > Steve Langasek =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Give me a lever long e= nough and a Free OS > Debian Developer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to set it on, and I = can move the world. > Ubuntu Developer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.debian.org/ > slangasek@ubuntu.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 vorlon@debian.org > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From combustioninc@yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 04:37:41 2010 From: combustioninc@yahoo.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:37:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting Message-ID: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> All=0A=0AC and C++ are now vastly distinct languages.=A0 I've offered to gi= ve a 90 minute primer class in C++ at=0Athe March meeting and based on the = interest in the group, I gather I should start preparing.=A0 I'm=0Anot goin= g to get into the differences between C and C++ via e-mail.=A0 Save those k= ind of questions=0Afor the March meeting (although I'm not going to expect = anyone to know C or any other programming=0Alanguage for the primer class).= =0A=0ANo, we won't get into UI programming in a primer class--nor should we= .=0A=0ABy the way KDE was written in C++ but Unix and Linux are written in = C.=0A=0ASee you all at the March Meeting--install g++ and the glibc librari= es on your laptop=0Aand bring it if you can.=A0 If you can't bring a flash = drive and the code we "write" can be=0Acopied to your flash drive perhaps b= y someone with a laptop.=A0 =0A=0AI will put work into this so please be pr= epared to learn.=A0 By the way,=A0 the hottest language for=0AUI programmin= g today is probably JAVA but it doesn't have the speed of C++.=0A=0AMy goal= is to get people to "think in C++" (meaning classes and objects) and to ap= proach=0Aorganizing and processing their data by having C++ as a tool in th= eir toolbox which they=0Acan employ when they need to.=A0 Remember, this is= only=A0a 90 minute primer.=A0 Let's see how=0Athis goes before we think ab= out follow-ons...=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0A From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Jan 28 04:40:48 2010 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:40:48 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting In-Reply-To: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF43@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> March? I thought you were giving this discussion in February :) If you ar= e serious about March I'll put something together for February. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of= Bob Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:38 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Cc: combustioninc@yahoo.com Subject: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting All C and C++ are now vastly distinct languages.=A0 I've offered to give a 90 m= inute primer class in C++ at the March meeting and based on the interest in the group, I gather I should= start preparing.=A0 I'm not going to get into the differences between C and C++ via e-mail.=A0 Save= those kind of questions for the March meeting (although I'm not going to expect anyone to know C or= any other programming language for the primer class). No, we won't get into UI programming in a primer class--nor should we. By the way KDE was written in C++ but Unix and Linux are written in C. See you all at the March Meeting--install g++ and the glibc libraries on yo= ur laptop and bring it if you can.=A0 If you can't bring a flash drive and the code w= e "write" can be copied to your flash drive perhaps by someone with a laptop.=A0=20 I will put work into this so please be prepared to learn.=A0 By the way,=A0= the hottest language for UI programming today is probably JAVA but it doesn't have the speed of C++. My goal is to get people to "think in C++" (meaning classes and objects) an= d to approach organizing and processing their data by having C++ as a tool in their toolb= ox which they can employ when they need to.=A0 Remember, this is only=A0a 90 minute prime= r.=A0 Let's see how this goes before we think about follow-ons... Bob =20 _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From combustioninc@yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 04:45:00 2010 From: combustioninc@yahoo.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:45:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF43@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF43@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <177670.69595.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Isn't the February meeting going to be used to decide on a Web Page provide= r?=A0 Be careful David--I think February is already=0Ataken.=A0 Perhaps you= should consider going to the meetings at the Bett Library.=0A=0ABob=0A=0A= =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: David Hinkle =0ATo: "qclug@qclug.org" =0ASent: Wed, January 27, 2010= 10:40:48 PM=0ASubject: RE: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting=0A=0AMarch?=A0 I thou= ght you were giving this discussion in February :)=A0 If you are serious ab= out March I'll put something together for February.=0A=0ADavid=0A=0A-----Or= iginal Message-----=0AFrom: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@q= clug.org] On Behalf Of Bob=0ASent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:38 PM=0AT= o: qclug@qclug.org=0ACc: combustioninc@yahoo.com=0ASubject: [QCLUG] Re: Mar= ch Meeting=0A=0AAll=0A=0AC and C++ are now vastly distinct languages.=A0 I'= ve offered to give a 90 minute primer class in C++ at=0Athe March meeting a= nd based on the interest in the group, I gather I should start preparing.= =A0 I'm=0Anot going to get into the differences between C and C++ via e-mai= l.=A0 Save those kind of questions=0Afor the March meeting (although I'm no= t going to expect anyone to know C or any other programming=0Alanguage for = the primer class).=0A=0ANo, we won't get into UI programming in a primer cl= ass--nor should we.=0A=0ABy the way KDE was written in C++ but Unix and Lin= ux are written in C.=0A=0ASee you all at the March Meeting--install g++ and= the glibc libraries on your laptop=0Aand bring it if you can.=A0 If you ca= n't bring a flash drive and the code we "write" can be=0Acopied to your fla= sh drive perhaps by someone with a laptop.=A0 =0A=0AI will put work into th= is so please be prepared to learn.=A0 By the way,=A0 the hottest language f= or=0AUI programming today is probably JAVA but it doesn't have the speed of= C++.=0A=0AMy goal is to get people to "think in C++" (meaning classes and = objects) and to approach=0Aorganizing and processing their data by having C= ++ as a tool in their toolbox which they=0Acan employ when they need to.=A0= Remember, this is only=A0a 90 minute primer.=A0 Let's see how=0Athis goes = before we think about follow-ons...=0A=0ABob=0A=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A_______= ________________________________________=0AQCLUG mailing list=0AQCLUG@qclug= .org=0Ahttp://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug=0A__________________________= _____________________=0AQCLUG mailing list=0AQCLUG@qclug.org=0Ahttp://qclug= .org/mailman/listinfo/qclug=0A=0A=0A=0A From vorlon@dodds.net Thu Jan 28 06:21:14 2010 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:21:14 -0800 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF42@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <20100128011245.GA13555@dario.dodds.net> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF42@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> Message-ID: <20100128062113.GA16039@dario.dodds.net> ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:07:44PM -0600, David Hinkle wrote: > What's your opinion on the original topic? Do you feel people are saying > C++ when they mean C? Or do you feel that when people say C++ they mean > object oriented software? I don't presume to know what other people may be thinking when they use these terms, particularly recruiters who are usually at least twice removed =66rom anyone working on code; but *I* think that saying C and C++ are the same is like saying perl and PHP are the same. If you know one you can probably read the other, but unless you've actually *studied* the other, you aren't going to be able to recognize bugs or write quality code. "C++ means object-oriented" is also not very precise. There are several OOP implementations based on / derived from C, C++ is only one of them. C++ is *Stroustrup*'s object-oriented C-like language. :) --=20 Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 828 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/93f9311c/attachment.bin ---------------------- multipart/signed attachment-- From pdameasap@gmail.com Thu Jan 28 10:36:28 2010 From: pdameasap@gmail.com (Rhys Black) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:36:28 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: Do you call it C or C++ ? In-Reply-To: <20100128062113.GA16039@dario.dodds.net> References: <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF2D@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <7FDEAEA2460BB840880DD8ED815D77205A30E9E243@stmail2.SedonaTek.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF3F@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <20100128011245.GA13555@dario.dodds.net> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF42@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <20100128062113.GA16039@dario.dodds.net> Message-ID: <4B6168AC.1020401@gmail.com> I'm going to have to go with Dave on this. I actually started on C++ and, although I've never had a class on C, I've had a number of them on C++ and have done quite a bit of work on projects I'd consider straight C, including class work assuming knowledge of C without actually teaching it. In fact, like Dave, Steve's list notwithstanding, I'd be hard-pressed to state a project in which C++ was stated as the development language and any classes or OO were actually used rather than just compiling C code with the C++ compiler. You know, with obvious exceptions like OGRE and other specifically OO C++ apps. Generally speaking, when they say C++ you don't know what they actually mean until you see the code. This is true to such a degree that lately I have begun to doubt the success of the actual adoption of the OO paradigm for C++ over C. In anything where people are concerned with performance it seems to be straight C regardless of what they say. I used to be extremely skilled with OOD and OOP in C++, but I find myself more often taking a step back and working in straight C in deference to the project. This is such that I wonder if my skills in that respect have atrophied somewhat. Moreover, it seems to make no sense, because of compiler optimization, encapsulation, and abstraction it just seems as though well-written C++ code is so much more maintainable, extensible, and what have you. As most of the cost of software comes from the maintenance phase of the development cycle it seems as though the best choice for large projects would be C++ over straight C. In fact, it's the opposite. If I had to guess why, I'd say it was because experienced programmers tend to get entrenched in their own programming style and language. They prefer what they know and tend to steer the project toward that. Because C can be compiled with a C++ compiler, people who don't know the OO paradigm in C++ - but know C and now find themselves in a PM role - pull one over on those who know even less, switch the compiler on the project and pull the wool over the eyes of those who know even less. Once that's done, they likely figure they'll switch over code style over time, but in practice that seldom happens without a coordinated push so they end up with C code masquerading as C++ code. It's been my experience that when people say C++ they almost always mean straight C code compiled with a C++ compiler. Even if they don't, they don't seem to care if you don't have any real OO skills, so it's a moot point. This is a shame, because a large OO C++ project, even a poorly designed one, is so much easier to wrap one's head around than a similarly huge and poorly written C spaghetti plate. ~Rhys Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:07:44PM -0600, David Hinkle wrote: > >> What's your opinion on the original topic? Do you feel people are saying >> C++ when they mean C? Or do you feel that when people say C++ they mean >> object oriented software? >> > > I don't presume to know what other people may be thinking when they use > these terms, particularly recruiters who are usually at least twice removed > from anyone working on code; but *I* think that saying C and C++ are the > same is like saying perl and PHP are the same. If you know one you can > probably read the other, but unless you've actually *studied* the other, you > aren't going to be able to recognize bugs or write quality code. > > "C++ means object-oriented" is also not very precise. There are several OOP > implementations based on / derived from C, C++ is only one of them. C++ is > *Stroustrup*'s object-oriented C-like language. :) > > From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Thu Jan 28 14:12:48 2010 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:12:48 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: March Meeting In-Reply-To: <177670.69595.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <776330.10671.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <829AE8AE5830BB4E9FC75A7ED3BE8E0D96EDCFFF43@EXCHANGE.cipafilter.local> <177670.69595.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b1001280612x32718890g6f2c4fa6b0d5e78c@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Bob wrote: > Isn't the February meeting going to be used to decide on a Web Page > provider? Be careful David--I think February is already > taken. Perhaps you should consider going to the meetings at the Bett > Library. > > Bob > > > Odd numbered months at Bett. Library, even numbered months at CIPA. LUG business and the kind of program being discussed are at the Library. That gives CIPA the chance to shine for what they want to do. With enough notice, I should be able to borrow a projector for these kinds of programs at the Library. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d781fe46/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 28 20:21:23 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:21:23 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service Message-ID: <4B61F1C3.2070007@sbcglobal.net> My apologies to all for taking this long since my last post, but life has been interesting in a Chinese curse manner in the last week or so. I am just today finally able to sit down and go uninterrupted for more than 10 minutes at the computer. SHARKSPACE Linux-based It is a shared-server environment, with jailed SSH access. Wisconsin and Texas based, so getting someone on the phone should be no problem. Hammerhead plan 20Gb storage 500 Gb transfer (bandwidth) Unlimited domains Unlimited email Unlimited sub-domains Unlimited MySQL databases The tutorials are pretty-much walk-along scripts, no videos that I found. No demo log-in that I could find. Live chat is available, and worked. Support is mostly through 24/7 ticket-based email Registrar transfer is free, if the original 'host' is using Cpanel interface. This will allow Sharkspace to move everything that consists of the site, including all mail, sub-domains, files, DBs, etc... No setup fee Accounts are: 2yr@ $190.80 ~7.95/mo 1yr@ $107.40 ~8.95/mo A dedicated IP address is $30/yr ClamAV/Spamassassin used/included. Email lists are setup via the Cpanel interface, supporting POP, IMAP, SMTP, and Webmail. It also has a site-builder, script-installer, support for CRON jobs. Zend optimizer and Ion Cube are also included, whatever these are. CGI, Perl are supported as well. The site also mentioned that administration can also be done through the WebDisk/WebDav interface, which if I understand it correctly, allows you drag&drop host access via desktop shortcuts/symlinks. It also supports SFTP. From adk@52761.com Thu Jan 28 20:26:32 2010 From: adk@52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:26:32 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <4B61F1C3.2070007@sbcglobal.net> References: <4B61F1C3.2070007@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <678823f01001281226o2b6af918l71fae935b75360ce@mail.gmail.com> I currently use Sharkspace. Google for 'discount codes' for sharkspace. I found one and got 1/2 off on price and still paying by month. Allen Kiddoo ----------------------- On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:21 PM, agamotto wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0My apologies to all for taking this long since my last pos= t, but life has > been interesting in a Chinese curse manner in the last week or so. =A0I a= m > just today finally able to sit down and go uninterrupted for more than 10 > minutes at the computer. > > > SHARKSPACE > > Linux-based > It is a shared-server environment, with jailed SSH access. > Wisconsin and Texas based, so getting someone on the phone should be no > problem. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hammerhead plan > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A020Gb storage > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0500 Gb transfer (bandwidth) > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited domains > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited email > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited sub-domains > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited MySQL databases > > The tutorials are pretty-much walk-along scripts, no videos that I found. > No demo log-in that I could find. > Live chat is available, and worked. > Support is mostly through 24/7 ticket-based email > > Registrar transfer is free, if the original 'host' is using Cpanel > interface. =A0This will allow Sharkspace to move everything that consists= of > the site, including all mail, sub-domains, files, DBs, etc... > > No setup fee > Accounts are: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02yr@ $190.80 ~7.95/mo > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01yr@ $107.40 ~8.95/mo > > A dedicated IP address is $30/yr > > ClamAV/Spamassassin used/included. =A0Email lists are setup via the Cpane= l > interface, supporting POP, IMAP, SMTP, and Webmail. =A0It also has a > site-builder, script-installer, support for CRON jobs. =A0Zend optimizer = and > Ion Cube are also included, whatever these are. =A0CGI, Perl are supporte= d as > well. > > The site also mentioned that administration can also be done through the > WebDisk/WebDav interface, which if I understand it correctly, allows you > drag&drop host access via desktop shortcuts/symlinks. =A0It also supports= SFTP. > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From QCAdmin@gmail.com Thu Jan 28 20:30:55 2010 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:30:55 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: <678823f01001281226o2b6af918l71fae935b75360ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B61F1C3.2070007@sbcglobal.net> <678823f01001281226o2b6af918l71fae935b75360ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3D854983 from 2005, I wonder if it's still good. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Allen Kiddoo wrote: > I currently use Sharkspace. Google for 'discount codes' for sharkspace. > I found one and got 1/2 off on price and still paying by month. > > Allen Kiddoo > ----------------------- > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:21 PM, agamotto wrote: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0My apologies to all for taking this long since my last po= st, but life has >> been interesting in a Chinese curse manner in the last week or so. =A0I = am >> just today finally able to sit down and go uninterrupted for more than 1= 0 >> minutes at the computer. >> >> >> SHARKSPACE >> >> Linux-based >> It is a shared-server environment, with jailed SSH access. >> Wisconsin and Texas based, so getting someone on the phone should be no >> problem. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hammerhead plan >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A020Gb storage >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0500 Gb transfer (bandwidth) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited domains >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited email >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited sub-domains >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited MySQL databases >> >> The tutorials are pretty-much walk-along scripts, no videos that I found= . >> No demo log-in that I could find. >> Live chat is available, and worked. >> Support is mostly through 24/7 ticket-based email >> >> Registrar transfer is free, if the original 'host' is using Cpanel >> interface. =A0This will allow Sharkspace to move everything that consist= s of >> the site, including all mail, sub-domains, files, DBs, etc... >> >> No setup fee >> Accounts are: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02yr@ $190.80 ~7.95/mo >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01yr@ $107.40 ~8.95/mo >> >> A dedicated IP address is $30/yr >> >> ClamAV/Spamassassin used/included. =A0Email lists are setup via the Cpan= el >> interface, supporting POP, IMAP, SMTP, and Webmail. =A0It also has a >> site-builder, script-installer, support for CRON jobs. =A0Zend optimizer= and >> Ion Cube are also included, whatever these are. =A0CGI, Perl are support= ed as >> well. >> >> The site also mentioned that administration can also be done through the >> WebDisk/WebDav interface, which if I understand it correctly, allows you >> drag&drop host access via desktop shortcuts/symlinks. =A0It also support= s SFTP. >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From adk@52761.com Thu Jan 28 20:39:14 2010 From: adk@52761.com (Allen Kiddoo) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:39:14 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Switching hosting service In-Reply-To: References: <4B61F1C3.2070007@sbcglobal.net> <678823f01001281226o2b6af918l71fae935b75360ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <678823f01001281239t69504d8bid9029c6c112d67c6@mail.gmail.com> I just checked thru my paper trail- did not find what I used for discount code but do remember that I found it on some web review site. You have to enter code just before end of check out process so you know if it will work before clicking that last button. Allen On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: > http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3D854983 > > from 2005, I wonder if it's still good. > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Allen Kiddoo wrote: >> I currently use Sharkspace. Google for 'discount codes' for sharkspace. >> I found one and got 1/2 off on price and still paying by month. >> >> Allen Kiddoo >> ----------------------- >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:21 PM, agamotto wrote= : >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0My apologies to all for taking this long since my last p= ost, but life has >>> been interesting in a Chinese curse manner in the last week or so. =A0I= am >>> just today finally able to sit down and go uninterrupted for more than = 10 >>> minutes at the computer. >>> >>> >>> SHARKSPACE >>> >>> Linux-based >>> It is a shared-server environment, with jailed SSH access. >>> Wisconsin and Texas based, so getting someone on the phone should be no >>> problem. >>> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hammerhead plan >>> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A020Gb storage >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0500 Gb transfer (bandwidth) >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited domains >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited email >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited sub-domains >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Unlimited MySQL databases >>> >>> The tutorials are pretty-much walk-along scripts, no videos that I foun= d. >>> No demo log-in that I could find. >>> Live chat is available, and worked. >>> Support is mostly through 24/7 ticket-based email >>> >>> Registrar transfer is free, if the original 'host' is using Cpanel >>> interface. =A0This will allow Sharkspace to move everything that consis= ts of >>> the site, including all mail, sub-domains, files, DBs, etc... >>> >>> No setup fee >>> Accounts are: >>> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02yr@ $190.80 ~7.95/mo >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01yr@ $107.40 ~8.95/mo >>> >>> A dedicated IP address is $30/yr >>> >>> ClamAV/Spamassassin used/included. =A0Email lists are setup via the Cpa= nel >>> interface, supporting POP, IMAP, SMTP, and Webmail. =A0It also has a >>> site-builder, script-installer, support for CRON jobs. =A0Zend optimize= r and >>> Ion Cube are also included, whatever these are. =A0CGI, Perl are suppor= ted as >>> well. >>> >>> The site also mentioned that administration can also be done through th= e >>> WebDisk/WebDav interface, which if I understand it correctly, allows yo= u >>> drag&drop host access via desktop shortcuts/symlinks. =A0It also suppor= ts SFTP. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> QCLUG mailing list >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 28 20:40:56 2010 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:40:56 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Swithcing hosting service Message-ID: <4B61F658.3050606@sbcglobal.net> GODADDY Linux-based plans Has dedicated servers, if we need one I looked at two shared-host plans that seem to be what we are looking for: Deluxe Linux plan Economy Linux plan 150Gb storage 10Gb storage 1.5Tb transfer (bandwidth) 300Gb transfer 500 email accounts 100 email accounts 25 MySQL DBs 10 MySQL DBs 50 FTP users 50 FTP users 500Mb email storage 100Mb email storage No setup fee Accounts are: 3yr@ $213.84 ~5.94/mo 3yr@ $152.64 ~4.24/mo 2yr@ $150.96 ~6.29/mo 2yr@ $107.76 ~4.49/mo 1yr@ $79.68 ~6.64/mo 1yr@ $56.88 ~4.74/mo Both plans include: Domains @1.99ea Account Exectives - allows access w/o root user account password. 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